personally i find this a rather amusing, and annoying approach to witchcraft...i've discussed this other wheres, and all i get are more justifciations for finding god does indeed condone witchery while worshipping him, and his son...so has the bible been wrong all along, and indeed just a construct of human whims...or is it still a cardinal sin to be a witch?

i just can't get the answers i'm looking for....

Multireligionism? I don't understand.

There isn't really much ritually or expressively exclusive between the two. They are different roots of the same cultural tree. It's when you get into dogma that it gets messy. But fuck, who needs dogma anyway?

You use that word alot. Dogma.

Well, it is the Religion forum.

Look up Pope Sylvester II, he was in power around 1000, AD. He was trying to implement Magic (which was different from witchcraft in his vocabulary), into the Christian church. Just imagine if he succeded. In the western world there'd be a much higher standard on calling yourself a witch. Maybe we'd be like the Haitians who execute or banish their fakes.

So, just out of curiosity Jordyn, where are you finding and speaking to these "Christian witches?" What are their justifications?

Reminds me of voodoo, where a lot of Christian imagery was actually adopted into the religion when the practicing people were introduced to it, rather than converting their beliefs into a purely Christian practice...

My mom is a Christian Witch. She has a group of women that gets together for various Sabaths--Beltain, Mayday, Soin, Solstices, Equinoxes, etc... It seems like harmless new-age-ism.

It actually seems rather silly to me...no offense meant toward your mother. Especially when you consider that whole "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" line...

Like I said, when you break it down to dogma, it seems awful silly, but they are very culturally similar.

another forum...i guess i'm just getting exhausted by those wanting to justify their "blasphemy" by putting the "c" word in front of witch, in my opinon it takes away from it's stigma that i had to suffer...i've accepted that my decision for worship and practice has guaranteed me a one way trip to hell...regardless of how kind or how wonderful of a person i am...yet some people think if they use god's name, it makes it better...if there is a god, all practitioners are going to hell...both testaments state that!

it just seems an easy out, again in my opinion.

i guess i'm generally getting tired with most of the glamorization and obnoxious approach by the "younger" more commercialised generation...witchcraft isn't an art anymore, it's become a status symbol...kind of like the goth movement...i guess all good things must come to an end....or i'm just getting old...i'd prefer the first thought

I'd have to agree. However, if one must alter one's religion to be comfortable with it, then perhaps it's better to admit that the religion isn't for you. Spirituality is never the easy road, unless you're a complete hedonist.

We're not getting older, we're just getting wiser.

it seems a it petty. omeone who has so much background being a monotheistic beleiver sudenly wants to adopt the power of the gods, which is against gods will and then wants to say hey ar ot heaven....pick, one r th other fool.

why thank you, that has made my night, and a box of dy and some solar rollers, things are looking up

i'll agree with you, organized religion isn't for me, i figured that out quickly...belief and spirituality provide all i need to exist harmoniously in this world, but i won't deny i'm a hedonist, so it works for me...

i guess that's what it comes down too, and why i can't understand...why people need to make a religion out of something that should just be...natural.

three words...Money, Power, Control..

seems like that's what you do.

Mixing up religions?

you're point?

you think i'm making it a religion in the quote? even there i'm a proponent of doing what feels right, not labeling myself to validate my beliefs, simply explaining what influenced my interests in the arts...that's what the occult is, a form of esoteric arts...not religion...my problems arise when people make it a religion...

Are you referencing all the new age movements since the sixties? All these new agers can't hold a candle to the old cults. The old cults have them out numbered and vastily overpowered. An easy test is simply asking the person what they are capable of with the craft. New agers will make excuses and start quoting laws. They are delusional, and often introduce themselves as witches, just for the attention. They give the craft a bad name.

If you are one of these people you never practiced in the first place, you just thought you did. It doesn't surprise me at all, that these people are going into an even more commercialized watered down form. That's fitting, and predictable.

And Btw, a lot of Botanicas here, in El Paso, have Christian symbolism inside them. Yes, Voodoo will wear a Christian mask.

You should read Rudolf Steiner. One of the many things he talk about is a relation between Christian theology and Egyptian sorcery. His idea is that Jesus brought resurrection and rebirtch, originally something only the upper classes knew, to everyone. He's a.... difficult read.

isn't egypt an older culture?

but voodoo isn't stuck between two opposing religions...it's one united religion...

voo·doo ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vd)
n. pl. voo·doos
A religion practiced chiefly in Caribbean countries, especially Haiti, syncretized from Roman Catholic ritual elements and the animism and magic of slaves from West Africa, in which a supreme God rules a large pantheon of local and tutelary deities, deified ancestors, and saints, who communicate with believers in dreams, trances, and ritual possessions. Also called vodoun.

vs...

Chris·tian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.
Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherent