What portion of the Christian Bible do you Satanists believe? Since you believe in Satan, it would only seem logical that you believe in the opposite force. Do you believe the basic premises and stories of the Bible? Do you simply not believe Revelations or rather, the outcome of the Final Battle? I guess that would be plausible. Is your view that the Bible does accurately describe the players in the spirtual world but incorrectly forecasts the ultimate winner?

Sorry, i kind of found your post amusing. Its like you're almost trying to actually see another side to something you'd like to learn about but you've already prepared an arsenal to debunk whatever's said. Maybe try again and make your tone come across as if you intend to learn from what's posted instead of asking people to come in and tell you how silly some of the things you said sound because it comes across as ignorant to another way of life having validation.

go look here and you will see where I stand on your bibble and yes i did spell that the way i see it.

Biblical Contradictions

well, i agree in part with stygian (you could have worded this better). secondly, do not assume we are all satanists. finally, you have a fundamentally flawed idea of what satanism is. in the interest of answering your question, let me tell you what i believe as a satanist.

i believe many of the messages of the bible. i don't take anything in it literally. i don't necessarily believe in the christian god (i will return to this) and i certainly don't believe in angels, lucifer, heaven or hell, etc. i like to think of myself as a misotheistic satanism: misotheism being the actual religion, and satanism being closer to what you might think of as philosophy. why am i a satanist then if i don't worship satan?

satanists worship no living deity. this is intentionally a generalization. satan represents the pre-christian force of nature which leads us to act selfishly. ignore the negative connotation of the word. satanism, if it must be viewed as a religion, is the religion where you worship yourself. life, and in particularly one's own life, is the ultimate reason for existence, one's own intelligence omniscience, one's own power omnipotence. satanism stresses self reliance and faith. faith in one's self.

associating this with satan is the natural consequence of our living in a judeo-christian society. the figure in the judeo-christian mythology who best exemplifies unlimited self-condifdence is satan, who defies god almighty in his courage. what he does have is courage, or perhaps audacity. still, satanists consider lucifer's fall a symbol of their own commitment to standing against all odds.

christianity offers bliss in the next life if this one is squandered, and satanism offers satisfaction in the here and now for those of us who are willing to risk our immortal souls. now let me return to misotheism.

i have lots of difficulty in describing my 'religious' beliefs because i don't know exactly what to think. i believe satanism, but as i've said, satanism is not strictly a religion. as far as god is concerned, i hope that god coincides with existence, ie, existence has always been and will always be and no intelligence created it. that would be optimal. however, i can't be sure it's like that. but if an intelligent god exists, and what the bible says about him is true, i hate him. i hate the idea of the christian god. i can explain my reasoning further if you are interested but i believe i've exhausted your original question.

oh, and knowing that you are destined to lose didn't deter the norsemen from believing in valhalla. in fact, norse mythology is to satanism as greek mythology is to christianity.

apostate87 you blew me away! thank you! the idea of self-reliance, looking for your own strength and immediate satisfaction hit home with me. in fact, if i am reading it correctly, you are describing a highly modern and dare I say, American, way of looking at life. I had assumed an enjoyment of hatred or evil acts for their own sake would be part of your belief system but for you, that doesn't appear so....

In all honesty, there are 3 versions of satanism that exist today. Modern satanism was created by Anton Levay. Traditional satanism also exists. Some people think of satan as a diety, a friend, or a force of nature. Finally "gothic" satanism exists as well. It is the one we read about in newspapers and in the evening news. where people think of satan as the biblical entity and try to follow the evil lord that the bible tries to say exists.

from my history of studing the bible and history there is a lot wrong with it outside of that link that i posted or my previous biblical contradiction thread. Lucifer does not exist blah blah blah. the book itself is so flawed that it just isn't funny.

yes, crypt is right in saying there are several forms of satanism, and i can testify there is a good deal of animosity between the different flavors. but that wasn't really your question anyway.

however, i think crypt might be... looking at the trees but missing the forest, perhaps. i don't mean this to be offensive, just a friendly suggestion. i enjoy reading the bible and trying to look past the story to get the morals. think of it like a book of fables. that's what it really is. what ancient human beings believed still has a great deal of relevance even today, whether you agree with their beliefs or not. the mark of an educated man (or woman, lol) is being able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it.

besides, what does it matter how many wives or kids some joker had, or how long he lived, or how many footmen he slew? who cares if god condones selling daughters or cutting hair?

and cherylhaynes: flattery will get you nowhere. and yes, i like it when you say that satanism reflects on modern day america. in my opinion, many americans are nominally christian and practical satanists. in fact... it is not impossible to be both christian and a satanist. well, my kind of satanism anyway. you probably can't worship graven images of satan, lucifer fallen, and perform unnatural acts in his name and go to your death-bed cursing the name of god and have a good relationship with the man upstairs, but being a good person by christian standards/ believing & having faith in god and being a practical satanist are not mutually exclusive. depending of course on the flavor you prefer.

and when you read anton lavey's satanic bible, what parts of it do you believe?

I have read the bible a couple of times in the past and as of yet I don't care what it means or what it stands for or what morals it is trying to get people to follow. I am a huge fan of studing history and have studied history a great deal. From what I have learned from history to what I have read in the bible I see to many things that differ from the bible and history. If it was brought forth as a book of fables then I wouldn't attack it as much as I do. Also the version that most people take today as reality has been edited so much that a lot of stuff has been removed form the old testament. I am not trying to attack you either apostste87 I am just stating what I have learned in my 24 years as a satanist.

lol. neither does he for many (i'd say most) satanists. and before somebody else beats me too it, paganism isn't a religion. are you wiccan? some brand of polytheism? pagan just means not christian, muslim, or jewish. i think, basically.

are you referring to me?

im a satanist and i beleive in god but i dont think that he is all powerful or anything like that. i've read the satanic bible but not the christian one so im not sure how much of it is fact or fiction

no, to dutchgothdiva

I like the whole stoning people to death part in the bible. I think we ought to stone more people to death

why do people always assume that if you aren't christian or catholic, (or other religions that believe in God) you are a satanist???? as for the question asked, I don't believe anything the bible says...when I was younger I read the bible and there are huge gaps in it. I like to read biblical based stories but as for the bible I don't think there are many truths in it because of the unexplainable gaps in time, the time is never made up for.

again, do you not believe the narration or the morals? or do you not understand that the bible is a book of fables first and a religious text second, especially to non-christians?

on a separate note, many devout christians are practicing satanists. many by their own admission, whether they choose to put it in those terms or not.

I understand what the bible is saying and I know how it is set up I just don't believe what is said in it