I can't; they wont let me out without a strait jacket on. It's really hard to play with myself in this thing, let alone others.

My teef are fine fanks... (I did it myself)
And the lack of hygiene, well that would be our taxi drivers, 7-11 staff and public transport staff. The reek of BO is enough to make even Mr T wither up like an apple left in the sun too long. By fuck they stink.

You forgot producing cars that fall apart in about 2 seconds off the lot. Not to mention the overwhelming sport addiction to the ignorance to anything else happening in the world.

Yes, there were about five. As I explicitly said. Five artists who had lyrics quoted out of content (all, I might note, about fifteen years old). The ones I bothered to look up did not seem to be advocating anti-white propaganda. The worst term I found in the mainstream songs was "devil". And for every reference to "killing devils" there were about thirty to killing niggers. Of course, as those in the community are fond of pointing out, it should be taken a different way when referencing a group you're a part of rather than one you're not... so this is certainly at least borderline. But a few fifteen year old references to killing devils that are dated within a year of the Rodney King riots, in already excessively violent songs, is hardly a coherent argument for rap music being pervaded with racism against whites. Evidence, please? I could find more relevant and blatantly propagandist racist material in MC Chris if I had a mind.

Again, you prove that you know little about rap & blacks. Way to go!

When they were released doesn't matter. But you don't find anything racist in this:

"like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles they found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad, with the Essays [Latino gangbangers] up, and nigga, it's time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely";"


"He prays on old white ladies [who] drive the Mercedes with the windows cracked. . . . you should've heard the bitch screaming. . . . sticking guns in crackers' mouths. . . . the cops can't stop it. . . . remember 4-29-92, come on; Florence and Normandy coming to a corner near you, cracker; we've been through your area, mass hysteria; led by your motherfucking Menace Clan"


"The crackers ain't shit; chase them out of the jungle; now raise up off the planet. . . . we get the 12 gauge; shot to the chest. . . . we hitting devils up. . . . Da Lench Mob, environmental terrorist. . . . I gripped the Glock and had to knock his head from his shoulders. . . . I got the .30[6] on the rooftop; pop; pop; so many devils die. . . . make sure I kill them. . . . lynch a thousand a week if it's necessary"

Exactly who is it you think they're talking about when they reference the "devils"? Fucking teletubbies?

KILL THE TELETUBBIES!!!!!!!! And that purple dino too!!!

Yes, it does. Fifteen years is a long fucking time. You can't claim that rap music is (present tense) awash in racism, and then only find shit from 1992. Christ, you might as well be talking about how beepers are the hot new technology.

Opening lyrics of said song, omitted;

"I'ma say this and I'ma gettin mine. If you ain't down for the Africans
here in the United States, period point blank. If you ain't down for the
ones that suffer in South Africa from apartheid and shit. Devil you need to
step your punk ass to the side and let us brothers and us Africans step in
and start puttin some funk in that ass "

In other words, while it is an excessively hateful and violent song (probably best taken as day fantasy, akin to dreaming about bashing in your boss's brains with a tire iron), it is not explicitly directed at all whites, but directed at the societies in the US and South Africa that were largely white and largely either supported apartheid and racist practices or condoned it with their silence. It's like... if a Jewish or Gypsy person writes a book in 1948 saying, "Fuck the Germans and Lithuanians and assholes that allowed the Holocaust to happen", you don't just skip to "Fuck the Germans" and assume everyone's included in that. It doesn't apply to the Rommels and White Roses of the world, just the people that stand by and don't give a shit when other people are being attacked. Now, an armed anarchistic uprising is obviously just as bad, but let's presume we're dealing with the realm of fantasy. Although, I concede that it's a troubling attitude, as it's boiled over into new atrocities where the victims turn against the former oppressors in places like Rwanda or, now, Iraq.


Who the fuck is Menace Clan? They don't even have a Wiki page. Next.

I was going to ask the same thing, but apparently between 1992 and '94 they sold roughly a million copies of two albums. Congratulations. You've proven that in the early '90s, a single rap group managed to attain moderate success with racist lyrics. In more contemporary news, Ross Perot has re-entered the Presidential race, and George Foreman becomes the oldest heavyweight champion in boxing history.

This doesn't really defend Shok's point that Disney's personal decision to remove a purportedly racist old cartoon from it's shelves is a direct attack upon the existence of whites, in contrast to the "hundreds of anti-white rap songs" that are currently allowed to play with no outcry all over the country. Supposedly. In some alternate reality.

I wasn't planning on defending Shok's point. I didn't read Shok's point. I don't care about Shok's point. I didn't mention Shok's point. I'm just mentioning that you live in a dream world if you think there aren't racist lyrics in rap music or that they don't sell or win awards due to said racist lyrics. Ever heard of Ice-T? Google some of his lyrics. A little Westside Connection maybe.

It's interesting that you use italics and get all e-butthurt and say that all the examples shown were from 15 years ago. In fact, the website previously linked had examples of things 12 years old or younger. You're clinging to the instances shown of some that are older and using them to substantiate your "point". Whatever that may be.


So if Billy and I were to write a song about listing our favorite hobbies as lynching, raping, and burning the monkeys, that would be considered racist. If a black rap artist writes a similar song set in an urban environment listing his favorite hobbies as pimping hoes, shooting niggers, and burning devils, that would just be the black man exercising his right to free speech.

I struggle to figure out what it is you're defending. Do you seriously think there's no such thing as racism in popular music? That's just stupid. Take the blinders off.

It really matters not if they are 5-10- or 50 years old. We were talking about Rap music which is obviously a genre of music that is closing on 30 years of age. As such quoting songs from the genre qualify irregardless of age. It is the same shit today it was when it first came out with the hippity-hop and you don't stop shit

Saying that some rap music is not racist is akin to saying that Skrewdriver is a gospel band

No no, Dyshade, hes right, theres no such thing as white racism anymore. I mean Jim Crow ended like 40+ years ago. Thats more than enough time to forget all about racism against blacks. Theres nothing keeping them down but themselves.

Even though they are a bunch of racist fucks I still like Skrewdrivers music

Yeah yeah..... rap music is clean and devoid of all racism..... it never mentions bitches and hoes..... no mention of uzis or glocks.... jeesus... DM can be soooo selectively blind when he wants to be....

Well he just doesn't know any black people. Its pretty obvious. That mush skull got loaded up with programming by all the guilty feeling white liberals about how poor blacks are and how its all the evil white mans fault etc. You know typical boilerplate liberal garbage. He will spout this rhetoric likely until he is robbed by one of these poor diamonds in the rough.

He might see it as a good faith loan

You see this same shit every day in white America.

I specifically mentioned that there were. But no one has yet shown any moderately successful rap lyrics that promoted racism against whites in contemporary history, and the of the two singular 13-15 year old examples given, one was, when actually analyzed in the full context of the lyrics, only a volatile and provocative reply to the then-recent apartheid in South Africa and the non-conviction of two officers blatantly guilty of excessive violence against a black man.

I imagine that given that you have a point to prove, if you could demonstrate that they had won awards or sold many records, you would prove it. I take the absence of evidence as evidence of absence.

No. I can always say that I don't find any given lyrics of his to be promoting racism against whites. You'd have to actually show me what lyrics you think are for us to get anywhere.

In fact, some of those lyrics are less than two years old. But it only matters if the source is actually accepted by a fraction of the mainstream. There's plenty of violently racist white supremacist bands that sell maybe twenty to fifty thousand albums in their career to a niche crowd, but no white people speak out against these bands; because they don't know who the fuck they are, nor do they care. Likewise, expecting the black community to condemn the words of people they've never fucking heard of is ridiculous. A message of hate is only relevant if people are listening.

Besides, you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're going to argue that fifteen years ago is relevant to cries of racism. You want this shit to have a statue of limitations, because there's plenty of black people still alive who were there for Jim Crow and remember the complete shit that the majority of white America put them through or condoned. Isn't that what white people always complain that black people do? They're not able to let go of the past, they cling to generation-old grievances? They blame young white people for the sins of the prior generation? So why are you holding the entire rap industry of today responsible for a handful of men that are either dead or in their middle-age by now?

Did I say anything like that? No, I didn't. But thanks for getting... what was the term? "All e-butthurt".

Everybody's racist. Why do you think Hollywood never has black villians unless the entire cast is black? Because they're afraid angry black people are going to mob their studio. Hell, before Eminem there was a complete and total acceptance of the idea that white people were genetically incapable of doing something that thousands and thousands of black people could apparently do.

But there's a difference between being passively racist and actively promoting racist attitudes and ideals. People keep claiming that rap does the former, but no one's presented any evidence of it. For something that completely pervades contemporary black culture, it sure hasn't left much of a mark, has it?

Bitches, hoes, uzis and glocks being very proud and noble ethnic tribes of wherever with a deeply unfortunate history of being discriminated against, thus causing your statement to actually make sense, right?


Well, you do, but certainly per capita it's not as pervasive. The inner-city culture that the large majority of African Americans (non-immigrant) live in sucks. You know this. Point? Unless you're going to attempt to argue that because they come from a shitty culture, they're promoting hatred of whites, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

AHEM!

KKK Bitch, by Ice T's band.... Body Count.

Aw yeah, whats up out there? bcs in the house. right
About now, I wanna tell you a little love story, you know
What Im sayin, this is a body count love story check out
The lyrics, you know, Im a tell you bout what happened
When we went down south last year on tour.

Out on tour yo, I been all around the world
Went to georgia, met this fine-assed white girl,
Blonde hair, blue eyes, big tits and thighs,
The kinda girl that would knock out most guys.
She got wild in the backstage bathroom,
Sucked my dick like a muthafuckin vacuum,
Said i love you, but my daddy dont play,
Hes the fuckin grand wizard of the kkk.

I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I i love my kkk bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.

You know what Im sayin. so we was down south fallin in
Love, you know, d-roc had this nazi girl, my man
Mooseman had a skinhead, I fell in love with tipper gores
Two twelve year old nieces. it was wild, you know what im
Sayin, it got even worse, you know.

So one night they took us to a meetin
White sheets, white hoods, no room for seatin
There was skinheads, nazis and crazies,
Talkin bout black people pushin up daisies.
They hated blacks, jews, puerto ricans,
Mexicans, chinese, even the indians.
We had our hoods on,
We were slick
She pushed her butt up hard against my dick.
Then her daddy jumped on the stage
Talkin bout killin in a goddamn rage.
I got mad, my dick got hard
Entered in her ass
She said, oh my god!

I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I i love my kkk bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.

So what we really tryin to say is body count loves
Everybody. we love mexican girls, black girls, oriental girls,
It really dont matter. if you from mars, and you got a pussy,
We will fuck you. you know, thats all were sayin, word.

So every year when body count comes around
We throw an orgy in every little southern town.
Kkks, skinheads, and nazi
Girls break their necks
To get to the party.
It aint like their men cant nut,
Their dicks too little
And they just cant fuck.
So we get buck wild with the white freaks
We show them how to really work the white sheets.
I know her daddyll really be after me,
When his grandsons named little ice-t.

I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she fucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, love it when she sucks me though,
I I i love my kkk bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad,
I I i love my kkk bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.


Ice T: Coolest rapper ever.