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04-14-08

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Not really.

Just because you make more money you should pay a larger percentage?? That is unfair....
Yes, because you make more money, you should pay more. That's the way the system is supposed to work. The percentage remains the same, it's the amount being paid which differs. When a CEO is paying less in taxes than his secretary, that means that the percentage being paid differs, and, yes, I think that's a bit fucked up.

And yeah, I'm not rich or anything, but I'm not poor, either...



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04-15-08

People are stupid.

"admit they pay less taxes, as a percentage of income, than their secretaries"

Give us numbers. Compare that $600 in taxes they're secretary pays with the $400,000 the CEO pays and then see how much sympathy the pencil pusher has. Give me a break.


  
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04-15-08

This is why i am for a flat tax. screw the deductions and forms.. Just take out a flat rate from your income and deal with it.


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04-15-08

But, But, deductions are good.... my laptop is a deduction

A straight percentage across the board allowing for a set listing if deduction with proof having to be delivered would be alright.

But fuck me, 20% of 25K is 5K and even worse 20% of 1Mil is 200K. The difference is fucking shit obvious. Why should he pay 200K when the guy making 25K is squeaking by on 5K??

That ramps up far too quickly and we would be better served by set and fair tax rates for everyone.



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People are stupid.

"admit they pay less taxes, as a percentage of income, than their secretaries"

Give us numbers. Compare that $600 in taxes they're secretary pays with the $400,000 the CEO pays and then see how much sympathy the pencil pusher has. Give me a break.
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But, But, deductions are good.... my laptop is a deduction

A straight percentage across the board allowing for a set listing if deduction with proof having to be delivered would be alright.

But fuck me, 20% of 25K is 5K and even worse 20% of 1Mil is 200K. The difference is fucking shit obvious. Why should he pay 200K when the guy making 25K is squeaking by on 5K??

That ramps up far too quickly and we would be better served by set and fair tax rates for everyone.
The suggested realm of percentage for this was between 2% and 10%. nobody ever suggested the grandious amont of 20%..
(damn extremists.. )


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People are stupid.

"admit they pay less taxes, as a percentage of income, than their secretaries"

Give us numbers. Compare that $600 in taxes they're secretary pays with the $400,000 the CEO pays and then see how much sympathy the pencil pusher has. Give me a break.
Your forgetting one thing, and you said it yourself
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Yes they may pay the higher amount, but what percent of their income is that $400,000, and number two Warren Buffet was talking the Forbes 400 richest american list, not every CEO in the country, and yes that is in my original post. We are not talking about the dollar amounts


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04-15-08

the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, unless they're illegal aliens...it's the world today. *shrugs*

i'm glad i'm living with a man that invested in euros! when europe takes over the financial world, we'll be sitting pretty.



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Your forgetting one thing, and you said it yourself Yes they may pay the higher amount, but what percent of their income is that $400,000, and number two Warren Buffet was talking the Forbes 400 richest american list, not every CEO in the country, and yes that is in my original post. We are not talking about the dollar amounts
It went over your head, I see. He IS talking about dollar amounts. He's saying that one might not have so much sympathy for the "poor man" if they see the numbers in black and white.


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That they admit to something everyone knows
That's not a point; that's wishful thinking. And even if everyone knows, I can guarantee that not everyone cares.


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the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, unless they're illegal aliens...it's the world today. *shrugs*

i'm glad i'm living with a man that invested in euros! when europe takes over the financial world, we'll be sitting pretty.
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It went over your head, I see. He IS talking about dollar amounts. He's saying that one might not have so much sympathy for the "poor man" if they see the numbers in black and white.

That's not a point; that's wishful thinking. And even if everyone knows, I can guarantee that not everyone cares.
No it didn't go over the my head, he is talking about dollar amounts, I am talking about percentages, what part of that is there to miss? I made the same amount a year as he did, and had to pay at the same percentage as what I do now, I would be the one who ended up paying more than he did, simple as that. Second It also proves the fact that the rich fucks Buffet is talking about can donate when it most benefits them(certain exceptions made, such as those who have foundations and other such organizations for donations), but cannot do one simple thing that would benefit charities through another means, no everyone doesn't care, but maybe they should.


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I'm sure you thought your poignant exit line would make an impact, but once again you missed the point.

THE AVERAGE JOE WON'T GIVE A CRAP IF IT'S NOT POINTED OUT TO THEM IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS. That's what I'm trying to get across to you. You can talk percentages til you're blue in the face; I don't care. I'm telling you that a huge number there in black and white with a little dollar sign next to it compared to a tiny number with the same is not going to hold much sway towards sympathy of the poor man.


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Okay, no one has posted this tidbit so I'll bring it into play.


so the Kennedy's are always talking about how the rich don't pay enough in taxes. But they paid only .04% on a 300 million estate?

President Bush paid more then that on less income!


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