That would be really fuckin wierd...... hehe.....

I think youre going off on a tangent, if you want this discussion to stop, then all you got to do is click that X in the upper right hand corner of the window.

billy that was a post from hours ago- that conversation is over. I'm done speaking with you on that particular topic now.

Heres another link:
http://www.aymnetwork.com/Versus_II_...e_Raid_on_Rave

Police thought they didn't have proper permits but now they've been proven wrong. What ever it was... drugs.. lame music... it does seem excessive in many ways.

oh just had to say

if you look at the last few seconds of the video, where it pans all over the place, youll glimpse a group of kids and a massive, dense, cloud of smoke. (tearbomb)

the cops were in full IPE ansd they may not all have been in full chem gear but SOME of them were wearing masks. yeah thats right. wath the fucking video closer. i tried to get a screenshot of it for proof but theres a security thing on it for copyright purposes.

Yes and since this is a message board and not a chat room time becomes irrelevant. I am sorry I had to go out with ym girlfriend and couldnt get back until now but I am back now.

If you dont want to talk about it, I guess you wont be replying to this.

THat was a fog machine, the cops were wearing tactical black jumpies and ski masks. not gas masks. There was no tear gas.

Reply!

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard from you. fog machines OUTDOORS especially, do not release fog in massive dense 'puffs'. not a possibility.

i saw fog there yeah and it was what made the lights at the stage stand out, not massive thick smoke but enough to be wispy and look like it was from a fog machine. also, fog machines tend to keep the fog more toward the ground and as it rises it gets dissipated.

you are TRULY in denial.

Very excessive.

We have a right to gather en masse. Especially when permitted by law by acquiring the proper permits. Its BS.

Are you fucking serious? I work for www.trailofterror.com We build a haunted house OUTSIDE every year. I assure you fog machines DO make dense clouds outdoors. Fucks sake youre clueless on just aobut EVERYTHING.

We dont have the right to bring guns, drugs and counterfit money though. Nor allow underaged drinking.

the drugs, guns and money were taken off a table. more than likely the ones the security guards were using to stow the stuff they took off kids. seriously. do you think people are going to just walk into this little part and put all their drugs on a fucking table in the open? no. the shit got confiscated by the security guards and put there. are YOU dense?


btw, go look at the last few seconds of the clip, people running from a massive THICK white centralized cloud of smoke. thats no fucking fog machine.

I think it was bogus what the cops did to the rave attendees. Sure there were some druggies, but that is no reason to treat everyone there like a criminal.

The reason why the cops went in with a SWAT team to bust up a rave is because this occurred in the Mormon state of Utah. Mormons are generally the worst sort of prudes who don't even like beer. I am not kidding. Drive around Salt Lake City and ask for directions to a tavern, the people will look at you like you had just asked them for directions to a brothel.

At any large gathering you are going to get the small percentage of idiots who are going to bring whatever they want. Does this mean that the police can use excessive force and military tactics to squash said gathering?? Are you of the mind that a police state is the way to go???

Here let me remind you.

Article [I.] (See Note 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It wasnt military force, it was police force, and they were acting on behalf of the law. The right ot assemble is only for political purposes, if you do not state an intended political gathering purpose its loitering.

No. Not when you have the proper permits for a gathering. Especially after those permits have been taken care of and you are holding the gathering on private property by permission of the owner of said property.

Oh. The "ONE" pistol found at the "party" was inside the residence of the property owner which they also raided without a warrant or permission of any sort. Almost ALL of the drugs they found were in possession of the security guards who were searching people and confiscating those same drugs.

The permit that the Sheriffs office says the promoters did not get is as follows quoted from The Daily Herald which is a local Provo, Utah paper.

"
The fact is, Childs did not need a permit.

Tracy protests that she did need one, but we believe he is wrong. Here's why:

A county ordinance specifies exactly the circumstances under which a mass gathering permit must be obtained from the Utah County Commission, and when a permit is not required. No person may host a gathering "of an actual or reasonably anticipated assembly of 250 or more people which continues or can reasonably be expected to continue for 12 or more consecutive hours" unless the host has a license, the ordinance reads.

The electronic beats at the rave began thumping at 9 p.m. Saturday. We cannot know exactly how long the party would have gone if police hadn't hammered down. But we do know a few things. We know, for example, that the promoter's agreement with the sound technicians was to end the show at 6:30 a.m. Sunday, as dawn approached. Privately contracted security personnel confirmed that they, too, were scheduled for that time period.

So the concert was intended for nine-and-a-half hours, well inside the 12-hour limit. It was a business proposition, and that was the deal.

In painting a picture that the gathering violated county public assembly codes, Tracy misrepresents not only the facts in Diamond Fork but distorts the proper role of law enforcement. We hope he understands his limitations as an officer of civil government.

Tracy said that authorities reasonably anticipated a crowd of thousands and expected partygoers to linger to 9 a.m. and beyond. "People are up all night partying hard and have a camping area," he said. "If you've been up since 9 o'clock the night before, we are assuming you're not going to jump right up and get out of there, and will exceed the 12-hour period."

Read that carefully again, with particular attention to "we are assuming." Tracy is saying that the 12-hour ordinance was violated because law enforcement, not the event host, anticipated the gathering would last more than 12 hours. This is an unjustified and even dangerous view.

It is not law enforcement's prerogative to enforce assumptions -- to hand out criminal or civil citations based on what might happen. Accusations must be made on the basis of actual observable acts, not on what a cop thinks will occur in the future. ""

Here is the law stating what loitering is-- oh you will note the notation below--

Loitering: “The criminal offense of remaining in a certain place (such as a public street) for no apparent reason. •
Loitering statutes are generally held to be unconstitutionally vague.”


In fact the state law books only specifically state the word loiter ONCE--

The only statute in the Utah Code that contains the word loiter is in §76-10-1302.

Utah Code §76-10-1302 - Prostitution
“(1) A person is guilty of prostitution when:
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(c) [he/she] loiters in or within view of any public place for the purpose of being hired to engage in sexual activity.”