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Kinda reminds me of the time my old man went and tried to "scare" me out of being the way i am...when the "vampyres" in kentucky killed their parents...
I think that is sick...that boy should have gotten life...then he'd see how much fun it is to be immortal...haha...
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08-05-02
I can't tell you who he is or his nickname, but he was on DF as a visitor but spend more time on Vampirefreaks.
I met him a fair few months ago when I was called in as an Expert on this area of law.
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That wishing and the crime were one
And heaven punishes desires
As much as if the deed were done.
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Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."
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08-05-02
He needs to have reality defined, but who is qualified to define it other than psychologists, who have shaky princples on that in the first place.
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He's actually sane as far as his actions are concerned. That's the frightening thing. He is deluded about the truth yes, but just because one beleives that something may have another beneficial effect does not effect ones mens rea (state of a guilty mind) in a court of law. His ability to make a judgement based on the morality of his action is still unimpared.
If he killed the old woman because he beleived he was named in her will for example, even though he wasn't, he is still able to make the morality judgement. He beleived he had some dark rite to change himself. It was utter bullshit, but he still knew it was wrong. But that didn't seem to bother him. He is not insane. He is simply evil in a way that you can't imagine.
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And heaven punishes desires
As much as if the deed were done.
If wishing damns us, you and I
Are damned to all our hearts content.
Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."
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08-05-02
Am I the only one that thinks jail isn't where he belongs?
Don't they have mental asylums in Wales? You know, padded walls?
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Yep they do, but as i've said, he's not insane. I know this sounds hard to beleive considering how cold the actions he's taken are, but he's sane, that's why he's so scary. Every action he took was taken in such a cold calculating manner that he knew it was wrong, he knew it was evil.
He was deluded and was being taken to a specialist unit in broadmoor for 'special cases'
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And heaven punishes desires
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If wishing damns us, you and I
Are damned to all our hearts content.
Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."
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08-05-02
Sorry, I didn't see this page yet neonwraith  .
I really still believe there has to be SOMETHING wrong with the brain; I really don't believe in good and evil; he had to honestly believe he was going to become immortal or something, delusional.
I mean, the Son of Sam was definitely crazy (schizophrenic), things like that.
And, you can be guilty even if you didn't do anything wrong. I've felt guilty about my tics, which are completely uncontrollable.
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08-05-02
It's more of a morality thing.
He's actually shown small signs of remorse, it wasn't that he wanted to kill, more that it was a means to an end.
The fact that he could over-ride this knowledge that what he was doing was wrong was what made him wrong as opposed to insane. It was a concious choice to do harm.
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"I've oft been told by learned friars
That wishing and the crime were one
And heaven punishes desires
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If wishing damns us, you and I
Are damned to all our hearts content.
Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."
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08-05-02
Last comment; it was a means to an end... if a man had voices in his head telling him to kill a chick, and thought that they wouldn't go away until he did, and he killed a girl, he has killed someone, made a conscious choice to do harm, a means to an end.
Is that morally wrong, or is he insane?
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In the U.K. the courts would look at it this way.
it wasn't some alter-ego which killed him therfore he made the concious choice asusming it could be proven he knew right from wrong therefore he's morally wrong and insane so as morally wrong is all they're looking for he'd be shipped to broadmoor.
I must admit law is my field not psychiatry I just went with what the shrinks and court said in that case. They said he made a concious moral choice. I agree fully. DOes that mean he's sane No, he's deluded, did that delusion have any bearing on his ability to make a determination between right and wrong... no. In the above case he's being harrassed and pestered into commiting the act as he beleeives it is a cure therefore he would get extenuating circumstances and they would be factored into his penalty. in the Hardman Case he beleived it would make him immortal which is insane fairly enough, but
that did not compromise his ability to make a rational mortality judgement. If he beleived his life would unnautrally end without this then the delusion would be factored, but it as such has no baering other then greed and therefore in the judges ratio decidendi (reasoning for the decision), it was no different to the killing for an inheritance scenario
If you don't get this don't worry i's taken me 7 years to get my head around this concept.
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That wishing and the crime were one
And heaven punishes desires
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If wishing damns us, you and I
Are damned to all our hearts content.
Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."
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I'm still sticking with my insane verdict .
I don't believe in good and evil. Humans do what is in their best interest, always (and yes, emotions are part of this).
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that boy should have gotten life...then he'd see how much fun it is to be immortal... | I like this idea.
Neon, I read all of what you said. I am definitely creeped out.
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