in all honesty does it really matter what a person believes, worships or follows?

Yes.

~nodds~yes unfortunately it does

well to most apparantly...thus is the way of the world...

If I didnt think it mattered what other believe then my beliefs wouldnt be that valuble either would they?o_O

Originally posted by RedMeat
If I didnt think it mattered what other believe then my beliefs wouldnt be that valuble either would they?o_O

OOOOOO good one man.

Thats a good question.

People try to push standards, but what standards do you go by?
One person says its ok to cheat and steal another doesnt.

You say why not have them both?
The problem is when this happens then usually the strongest rule, making for bullies. That bully will last only as long, untill the next one comes to knock him off.

Yes it does. It always will. A person uses belief to define thier inherent Character and to give them something to measure up to. Sadly this also makes for a situation where they must also measure another person against thier scale. Woe to those that do not measure up to thier expectations.
Only when belief is seperated from character will people be able to advance beyond comparison.

Strongest usualy meaning most popular, which in turn would be the most satisfying even if it is sometimes foolish.^_^ If most of the people think it would feel bad to be cheated on then its wrong because it would most likely hurt someone else.

Originally posted by Xuldemios
Yes it does. It always will. A person uses belief to define thier inherent Character and to give them something to measure up to. Sadly this also makes for a situation where they must also measure another person against thier scale. Woe to those that do not measure up to thier expectations.
Only when belief is seperated from character will people be able to advance beyond comparison.

Explain that last sentence please.

"belief is seperated from character" Does this mean, to not have any beliefs?

"be able to advance beyond comparison"
If you dont have something to compare, how do you know if something is better?

Originally posted by RedMeat
Strongest usualy meaning most popular, which in turn would be the most satisfying even if it is sometimes foolish.^_^ If most of the people think it would feel bad to be cheated on then its wrong because it would most likely hurt someone else.

Thats why I go by the bible. I dont always "feel" like it, like the rules on sex.
But going on feelings alone is foolish.

Originally posted by TheLight


Explain that last sentence please.

"belief is seperated from character" Does this mean, to not have any beliefs?

"be able to advance beyond comparison"
If you dont have something to compare, how do you know if something is better?

Belief is only used because the Truth is not known. Were you to know The Truth you would have no need for belief. As such until you can seperate belief from your character mankind will invariably continue to slaughter itself from within.

Do you need to feed your ego so to be able to compare yourself to someone else to know that you are better. Comparisons exist to seperate Man into enclaves which are defined by many different aspects of belief, wealth, and class. One can only say they are rich if there is someone poor to compare themselves to.
Man needs to advance beyond the need for comparison.

Originally posted by Xuldemios


Belief is only used because the Truth is not known. Were you to know The Truth you would have no need for belief. As such until you can seperate belief from your character mankind will invariably continue to slaughter itself from within.

Do you need to feed your ego so to be able to compare yourself to someone else to know that you are better. Comparisons exist to seperate Man into enclaves which are defined by many different aspects of belief, wealth, and class. One can only say they are rich if there is someone poor to compare themselves to.
Man needs to advance beyond the need for comparison.


Is that first paragraph true? Or just your belief?
I think its your belief.

I believe there are absolute truths. I also believe that since mankind doesnt know, or go by these truths, this is the cause for most problems, if not all of them.

The standard that I go by on that second paragragh is the bible.
The bible teachs us that we are all sinners, and that noone is any better than anyone else.
You may be gifted more than most people but it is what you do with those gifts, is what God looks at.

Jesus is the standard with which I measure myself up too.
I can never attian his status, but I keep pushing. Its like a race only one person wins, but there are 2nd 3rd and so on finishers.
Its a healthy competition, because the more you help others the faster in the race you go.At the same time I look at others as fellow runners, working in one big family.

Originally posted by TheLight



Is that first paragraph true? Or just your belief?
I think its your belief.

I believe there are absolute truths. I also believe that since mankind doesnt know, or go by these truths, this is the cause for most problems, if not all of them.

The standard that I go by on that second paragragh is the bible.
The bible teachs us that we are all sinners, and that noone is any better than anyone else.
You may be gifted more than most people but it is what you do with those gifts, is what God looks at.

Jesus is the standard with which I measure myself up too.
I can never attian his status, but I keep pushing. Its like a race only one person wins, but there are 2nd 3rd and so on finishers.
Its a healthy competition, because the more you help others the faster in the race you go.At the same time I look at others as fellow runners, working in one big family.

Yes it is True. Were you to educate yourself as to the meaning of the word "belief" you might see my point.
There should be no standards nor comparisons. As long as there are there will be bias, discrimination, seperation, and war.
Your race is only another form of self sufficing your ego by comparison within spiritual competition; another way of being able to say,"I am better than you." Without actually providing proof of your supposed standing. All people live and all people die. In this way equality is distributed.
You will die one day. The Devil will feast upon your poor heathen Soul.

See. My beliefs and comparisons are different from yours causing tension which led me to make that last statement. That, and I also know it to be True.

Originally posted by Xuldemios


Yes it is True. Were you to educate yourself as to the meaning of the word "belief" you might see my point.
There should be no standards nor comparisons. As long as there are there will be bias, discrimination, seperation, and war.
Your race is only another form of self sufficing your ego by comparison within spiritual competition; another way of being able to say,"I am better than you." Without actually providing proof of your supposed standing. All people live and all people die. In this way equality is distributed.
You will die one day. The Devil will feast upon your poor heathen Soul.

See. My beliefs and comparisons are different from yours causing tension which led me to make that last statement. That, and I also know it to be True.


You believe that the Devil is going to eat my soul. Is the Devils ways better than Gods?
If so then wouldnt that be a standard of beliefs, making for seperation, discrimination, bias, and war?
Is the Devil going to reward you?
Is he going to eat me?
Are you better than me?
Are you trying to open my eyes to the truth so I dont become food for the Devil?
Is it evil to hold onto the truth and not tell anyone, or does the Devil need a supply of food?

you really need to relax with the amount of questions you ask.... hehe.... or start making statements which as i said before explain why and in what context you are asking those questions.... here watch... i will show you how annoying it is... these are all questions for you....

Will God reward you?
Do you know that gods way is the right way?
Can you prove it is the right way?
Why do you believe in god?
Do you discriminate?
Are you better than Xul?
is your truth better than mine?
Can you prove that it is?
What denomination of christian are you?
Why is that one better than the other denominations?
is your house green?
is your dog purple?
do you own any stuffies?
do you use lubrication when masterbating?

Originally posted by Dyshade
you really need to relax with the amount of questions you ask.... hehe.... or start making statements which as i said before explain why and in what context you are asking those questions.... here watch... i will show you how annoying it is... these are all questions for you....

Will God reward you?
Do you know that gods way is the right way?
Can you prove it is the right way?
Why do you believe in god?
Do you discriminate?
Are you better than Xul?
is your truth better than mine?
Can you prove that it is?
What denomination of christian are you?
Why is that one better than the other denominations?
is your house green?
is your dog purple?
do you own any stuffies?
do you use lubrication when masterbating?


1. Yes
2. I believe so.
3. What kind of proof do you want?
4. I have a relationship with him.
5. I do discriminate against some people and situations.
6. I am no better than any "person" but X is a demon so yes I am better than him.
7.What is your truth?
8. I need to know your truth first.
9. Goto 7 and 8 for this answer.
10. Nondenominational.
11. I never said one was better than the other.
12. No.
13. Dont have a dog.
14. What is a stuffies?
15. Who doesnt? :P

3 i have asked you for proof of the existence of god, and you failed he failed to show. in that it proves he does not exist.

Originally posted by Crypt
3 i have asked you for proof of the existence of god, and you failed he failed to show. in that it proves he does not exist.


I meant to ask you about that.

That was something new I tried. I didnt know if God would respond to something like that.
I have heard of examples of things close to it, so I tried it.

No, God is still there, I think he wants you to come around on your own. To be convinced in your own eyes.
He has all of the time in the world, once you reap your own friut and pain sets in I think you will be calling him.
I hope it doesnt come to that.
Thats why I am here talking to you.

and as i said, you were to pray that your god was to appear before me for me to believe he existed. well no appearance so no existence. and forever more will i curse the name of yahweh.