See, had you gone more in depth in the first place, I wouldn't have become so defensive, and for that I apologize.

(I'm Agnostic anyway...so its not like there's much to defend)

In any case, I was speaking also to anyone who might read this post and feel the need to respond, because believe it or not the "What is Goth" question comes up here every 5 minutes and I get sick of it every time. So it wasn't just to you. Sorry if it seemed that way.

Actually, I think that many goths who are also Christian are Agnostic but just won't admit it because they think its bad. It really amounts to the same thing...but its always good to question. Its not so much mental abuse as it is a grand puzzle that takes much thought and consideration to put together. I don't even have the frame assembled yet.

I don't agree that those artists are as much of a basis as they are an inspiration (and either way, it doesn't mean that their beliefs are also shared), or something of that sort. No matter what, though, its merely part of one whole, and all the parts aren't even necessary as you know. Obviously we seem to be disagreeing to some extent, but again, thats why the Gothic subculture is so great. Mainstream, everyone would have to agree and all other views would be smashed out.

Now personally, I believe that it all revolves around self awareness as well as an acute awareness of once surroundings...though many times that leads to cynisim (sp?) and such...but thats just the way things are sometimes. To me, its very introspective, thoughtful, and pondering. Along with this is an ability to look at the bigger picture. That's just what I can think of on the short time I have right now...If I really thought about what it meant to me I could probably elaborate on all of that.

BTW, exactly what do you consider to be a dark point of view? Out of curiosity.