it's this persistance that i want to understand...why must magic fit in a nice neat box of one or another, or it's nothing?
there can be no in between?, no shades of grey, no motherhood, simply maiden to crone...chaos or order?

it's been said that it's up to perception...applying the natural aspect to magick,and by my perception of the conversation to this point, it'd be saying that nature is chaotic or ordered, black and white, good and evil etc...that's what i'm not agreeing with, or understanding the persistance in this approach...

i still stand by my concept that the energies that are used in magick are ever flowing, ever shifting and changing...not untapped flows of confusion and nothingness waiting for someone to grab onto them and shift them to an ordered state.

if the only choice of magick is to be chaotic, than what am i doing wrong? when i'm dealing with chaos i don't handle it well, it manifests itself as an overstressed mother, a road raged driver cursing at the top of my lungs with the music loud trying to keep me distracted from becoming homicidal...and lets not even discuss the chaotic confusion that masses of people with conflicting, ovewhelming energies do to me...that's not magick in my opinion, that's a severe headache...

unless your definition of chaos is something different?