perhaps we should discuss the definitions we're using for chaos and order...those examples i understand...it's the way of nature, however none of that is magickal..it's fact, it's textbook science...science and man makes laws and order...that still doesn't explain to me how chaos applies to magick...is it not possible that people are able to do magick and not be either chaotic or ordered? The energies just do what they will by influence?

because a creature dies does not mean it ends...there's no order to what happens in the end, more of a cicle, how is a circle chaotic?