You don´t know anything about me so don´t say you listen to better stuff, here we have the purest music it comes from England, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and other old countries. Of course Killing Joke isn´t gothic, if you read better i said afterpunk bands. So see better what you read or what you understand and then you can talk about it. Here the only manufactured is the ideas of people like Marilyn Manson´s fans and people who don´t know a shit about the old, pure music from the anals of the sinister, afterpunk and gothic history!!!!.