Dysahde,

One of my big reasons for leaving the Catholic church was this sort of We're right your wrong and we will not enterain that you have any merit in any of your arguments because we don't want to listen to reasoned debate nor will we ever listen to reaonsed debate.

Humanism forces us to listen to debate because how do we know the other side of the story. Usually we come to the same brick walls of blind Zeal, but that is simply the way I find it

Neon