Allright, I can see that. But as I gather from another thread on here, SI is using physical pain to substitute for not feeling anything else. That sounds more like replacement emotions. And from what I have gathered from both you and Red, it's lack of love, love betrayed, or loving the wrong person that is responsible most often for pain? Or have I misread that?

Wouldn't that make love stronger than pain? It seems to me that it would.

Kat