Hi again Clearwitch,

I did address this topic somewhat to another person on my thread about the occult. Now, this was addressed to a person by the name of Femme Strati I think, but I hope to apply the same message to your post. Here it is:

Jesus did not ever once in His life practice magic. They are miracles. Magic is usually an illusion practiced by a trained professional or someone who uses supernatural powers to make what seems impossible possible.
In Jesus' sense, His power comes from the Father. Miracles are something can only happen by the grace and power of God for they are ALWAYS done in order to bring glory to Him in some form or fashion so those who are witnesses may believe on Him.
Of course the many miracles Jesus performed during His earthly ministry did not cause everyone to believe. Some will choose to NOT believe no matter what proof is in front of them regarding the deity of Christ.

A few examples of what Jesus did and something you will NEVER see someone who practices magic are the miracles that demonstrated His power over creation, sickness, and death. He demonstrated His authority over nature in such miracles as walking on water (Matt. 14:25), multiplying bread (Matt. 14:15-21), and calming the storm (Mark 4:35-41). He demonstrated authority over sickness with His instantaneous healings over terminal diseases. His healings did not take weeks or days but were instantaneous. He healed blindness (John 9), paralysis (Mark 2), leprosy (Luke 17), and deafness (Mark 7). Such miracles cannot be attributed to psychosomatic healing but to one who rules over creation. Jesus displayed authority over death by raising the dead as recorded in Luke 7 and Matthew 9.


Some doubt whether these miracles occurred. Several view the miracle accounts as fictitious legends developed after the death of Christ. Others argue that the miracle accounts were propagated in distant lands by the followers of Christ well after the events so that the miracle accounts could not have been verified due to distance and time.

Legends usually develop generations after the death of the figure at which time it is impossible to verify any of the accounts since all available witnesses are not available. However, the miracle accounts of Jesus were being told in the very cities in which they occurred during the lifetime of Jesus and to those who witnessed the event. Those who witnessed the miracles were followers of Christ AND His enemies. These eye witnesses were questioned carefully by those in authority. If any claims were exaggerated or distorted, it could have easily been refuted.

Something else to consider Femme is that NO OTHER religious leader in the history of mankind has performed the miracles Jesus did. No one.

Just think of all the wonderful things that have transpired as a result of the Messiah coming to earth to reveal Himself to mankind. Think of all the charity organizations, the hospitals, the shelters for the less fortunate, the hunger programs, the orphanages, the intitutes for higher learning........and many more. So many of these great things were brought about because of people who followed Christ's example to be a helper to their fellow man.

You can't name me very many of these same types of organizations that are started by the practitioners of magic, or atheists or agnostics. You just can't.

It is because of the goodness of Christ that you find these things. He was a miracle worker, not a magician.

And no, nothing you have said is going to convince me otherwise. Just as I am sure nothing I have just said is going to persuade you to see things from my point of view. But, that is why I am so thankful to God for the freedom to be able to discuss our views freely. It is wonderful to have religious freedom.

Now, that was a couple of months ago when I posted that. I believe that to be the truth. I, in no way believe that Jesus was just some "avatar" or "ascended Master" who through the millenia has worked out His karma through reincarnation to the point that He has become one of the ultimate "enlightened ones".

NO. Jesus Christ performed MIRACLES. He was not someone who mastered the invisible forces of nature to subject them to His will. What Christ did was done to bring glory to God by causing something to be done that NO ONE else could ever do. And NO ONE today can do the same miracles that He did without His miraculous power behind it.

You and I have a disagreement of who Jesus is and how He went about fulfilling His ministry. I respect your right to believe what you do, I just disagree with it, just as you disagree with my view.

But, I do believe this will be interesting.

Sincerely,
Samichking