Harlequin -
i find your post quite interesting, mainly because it is radically contradictory in some ways. maybe you're not putting down what you truly mean, i don't know.
you -
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Originally Posted by Harlequin  conclude that all people (within the society you defined) are untrustworthy and think only of ruling out others less influential than themselves and their groups. Since they all have similar destructive beliefs for others, I say that all groups are the same. |
and seem to shun the idea of separating others from groups, but you then write -
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Originally Posted by Harlequin It doesn't matter if you eat dinner with a murderer, the person shouldn't be associated with, for safety concerns. |
which in itself is a removal of one person from another group, seemingly because you don't trust them, and they have broken a rule that you believe in. [see bottom of thread to further this later] could it be said that the murderer in question is less influential over you than say, a playboy bunny? the murderer could have alot to bring to the table in terms of ground breaking ideas, opinions, inventions and even say - a cure for cancer, but you'd rather take the blonde with the bozoms...
you follow this with
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Originally Posted by Harlequin I believe in separating myself from the undesirable parts of society, and I think that no matter what I will always be different from the person next to me because of my distinct beliefs. There may be people out there like me, but they are nearly nonexistant, since lightning doesn't strike the same place twice. Nature does have some symetry, but perfection isn't natural |
Which in itself, is quite the egocentric 'big I AM' line, exclaiming yourself to be more influential than everyone within any institution. your statement that your beliefs are distinct and exist in no singular person but yourself is quite a crazy thing to say, comparing yourself to none other but a god, since your ideas are absolute and do not exist in any other person, and that you are perfection personified. do you think it impossible that anyone could have an idea similar to yours? the way you state that 'no matter what' and 'nearly non-existant' is quite contradictory in itself.
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Originally Posted by Harlequin I don't think it's possible for everyone to have everything in common. I guess you didn't say that, but I still wanted to express that point. If they don't have everything/the important things in common, then how can they be put into the same group? |
I did say, please go read up on what Society actually
IS first.
you still haven't grasped the idea of Society and institutions and cultures therein. To quote myself -
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Originally Posted by Tozzy A society is a grouping of individuals which is characterized by common interests and may have distinctive culture and institutions. Members of a society may be from different ethnic groups. A society may be a particular people, such as the Saxons, a nation state, such as Bhutan, or a broader cultural group, such as a Western society. [ Wikipedia] |
the bold and underlined part is an important part of defining a society. People within a society may be, and in most cases will be, different in many ways. It is all about
Common Interests. Your statement that people cannot be in a society unless they are identical would infer that unless we are all exact clones of eachother, society cannot exist. Society DOES exist. we are not clones of eachother, and your statements against society and your personal exclusion from it proves it so.
You seem to be having a problem with the fact that no two people are alike. Although as i said, no two people are completely individual, no two people are exactly the same. Perhaps your exclusion has created such a problem in your mind as to the fact that you are unlike others you have encountered so far, that it hurts you and you feel a need to exclude yourself even more so. You will meet more people every single day. You're a young person and there are alot of people out there. New parts of your life that are still to unfold bring new horizons. As far as I can tell, you are still in school. You haven't even started to enter the world. Do not shun that which you have not yet experienced. The institution of your school and institutions within it differ alot from all the others you will encounter.
Deviance is an interesting thing, but understand that a Deviant, is a deviant WITHIN a society or within an institution. More often than not, they break the rules set by an individual Institution and may be expulsed from it or given punishment.
If you break a rule at golf course, something distinct to that place like... wearing jeans all the time, you'll get removed and banned from the golf course. You have been removed from that institution, but you are still part of society. You didn't break a rule they share with other institutions in society, like defecating in public in a sand trap or coitus in full view of everyone in the 19th Hole as a celebration of victory.
Society is made of people who agree to common rules and regulations and have common interests in the safety and wellbeing of others that reside within their own institutions or cultures. You agree that you do not kill someone. So do Christians. It is one of their Ten commandments. You exist within society with them. They may not be part of your institution, but you exist in the same society. I'm sure you agree that stealing and sleeping with someone else's girlfriend/wife is wrong too. Are you seeing a pattern? You're not that individual after all...
No matter how deviant you think you are, or how different or cut off from the rest of society you are, you will share beliefs and ideals with others. This is society. People within society may have differing beliefs, but the common interests are what bring the different cultures together.