Originally Posted by Jordyn

you haven't met the new generation of wiccans and witches, have you?

the church was created by followers of Christ that gathered together in small homes to celebrate Him and Gd, it was eventually used by megalomaniacs who saw how it could be utilized to control the ignorant masses and further their own greed. As for the pagan religions, they weren't all fluffy love either...it took several hundred years for the Christian church to move out of persecuted underdogs to become the bastard it's known for today, a lot of those glamorized ancient pagan cultures were no better, impressive or any more noble, they had to respect the land, because if they didn't, it could kill them, they needed it to be kind to them. Wouldn't worshiping, ritual and sacrifice out of concern for you own life be construed as selfish?

i think humanity has many more detrimental downfalls than selfishness, selfish people just think of themselves, not caring to bother other people, but other aspects of human nature require the offering of others to be placated, greed, lust, envy and wrath come to mind.