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Originally Posted by 22300  Yes, low knowledge, very low one and I mean material knowledge, for that is the only thing we can be certain of. Let's take for example the biosphere, the zone, where mankind exists from the beginings... today's science estimates that man explored only 1% of this space, ("exploring" having here a scientific certitude) ok, including the depths of the seas, and and probably one level under ground, but still - there is life also. Now this is what I call knowledge - few but certain - and nowhere in it yet exist material proofs about the existence of a superior entity like god. (I don't wan't to offend anyone, I respect all religions, I simply don't belive in any.). Offcourse there are theoryes, that remain only that as they try to confort us with illusions. |
you're still not clearly designating what you mean by low knowledge, if you're suggesting that those who believe in a godform, lack the ability to know anything substantial, that's just insulting.
...believing in a god doesn't prohibit exploration or inhibit knowledge; are you talking material as the opposite of kant's idealism or having more of an interest in pursuing pointless, worldly possessions?
in that context, i'm most definitely not a material girl; but such discussions are best for the philosophy section.
even the fourth grade weekly scholastic has several wonderful articles about the discoveries they are, uncovering in both space and the ocean, like tiny little squid that have the most amazing glowing, florescent colors...oh! speaking of that which doesn't exist; they officially and scientifically have documented proof of the giant squid, a live one was finally caught on film actually hunting, or was that only theory filming on the discovery channel?
...it was a theory that it was a myth, but now a mythological monster has been proven to really, exist!, but they live in depths that humanity is just now able to probe, those silly theoretical squid hiding from us, for so long.
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I had no clue neither about the babylonians and caanites and theyr influence in old testament, neither on Abraham's god, but here I hope I'll get my point - that this is only a history on the beginings of human collective beliefs that try to compensate the common fear of death with religion - something beautiful as an entyre - the ideea. I may say I totally agree with your historical facts, I must say they're interesting, etc. but that's a theory, a historical one, let alone the veridicity of it implications.
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archeology is a theoretical thought than, sort of like philosophy but with tangible sticks and stones that can be dated by people who've spent most of their lives studying the techniques, cultures and sciences of the historical world?
how do we know anything is real, if it's all theory, perhaps humanity is the ultimate theory?
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And yes, there is a god spot on the brain (I'll try to be short about this right now, but I'll probably post later a link so you may see for yourself). It was proven that during meditation and prayer, the activity of the brain is the same for a budhist monk, a sort of christian - franciscan nun, etc. count in more religion rep. that is - the part of the brain which is responsable for self-sense gets to be less irrigated with blood. Now from here we may say that all religions have a tendency thowards a comunion of all life forms and a sort of omittence about self-person, for that is what scientifically your brain shows.
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i did post a link, and the most recent study disputes that there's a specific spot, if there's one at all...they tested carmelite nuns, as for your mention of eastern religious monks, they do things everyday that are improbable for humans to do...and are documented in doing so, in their own environment, but when they are asked to do the same feat in a controlled lab, they can't?
here's another link, discussing the same god spot study, discussing that different religious people experience their religion in different ways.
the brain is one place we'll never fully understand.
there's even a recommended book that discusses these religious differences, in depth. it's sort of frightening that roman catholic nuns and buddhist monks have the same part of the brain activate when experiencing god, but fascinating that pentecostels speaking in tongues have an entirely different part of their brain active.
how do you explain this?
considering not all monks, nuns or other devoutly religious people can't, you still haven't yet demonstrated this "low knowledge" that you claim religious people are subject to or how you can seriously rationalize everything is theory, but your own ego.
hopefully you just need to present what you're trying to say, more clearly and not calling religious people silly simpletons that believe in anything anyone says?
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Beauty just is - I say we all enjoy it but what I tryed to say was that we shouldn't place it above the certainty of facts - and here I report specially to religion - the poetic art, the hidden sistem of mass control, and everything that it involves. It holds no great truth, at least none was found these days, and as a sceptic I doubt it'll ever be one, except the development of a cure for the the human phobia of death and chaos.
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what facts?
and truth, no matter how great or small, is subjective to the person perceiving it or are you an expert on truth in addition to reality?
and for the record, i'm not afraid of death, in some ways it'd be a welcomed relief, but that's the escapist in me; not the Gd worshipper. i don't run from chaos either, it keeps me on my toes. unless it's chaos magic, that's just confusing; but i have seen it work for people and then there are the gnostics, they're name means knowledge.
i don't believe in Gd because i fear anything, i believe in Him, because it's the only explanation for things i've experienced, or i'm just one heck of an amazingly lucky person with rl people that can vouch for the things i've seen, done and survived,but not all those situations are attributed to the christian Gd, some were, lower forms of display.
...but a non believer wouldn't understand such, things, only tell believers what's real and not real, based on the same personal ideals of belief they are condemning religious people for; so why are you in a religious thread, designed to discuss people's religions, if you have none and view all religion, belief, archeology and other related topics as, low knowledges and theories, yet touting your own as supreme?
you should check out the philosophy section, sixx is amazing down there.
by the way, what's your knowledge versus low knowlege, is it sort of like the difference between high magic and low magic?
in that context, i prefer low magic, it's more entertaining.