I've seen all three seasons of Dr. Who and most of the first season of Torchwood.

Dr. Who and Torchwood are two entirely different shows, aimed at two entirely different audiences. Dr. Who was originally... and still is... very much a children's program. That isn't meant to belittle it; on the contrary, I think the show (as a whole, old series and current) is brilliant. For those who haven't seen Torchwood, it is NOT a children's program. So to compare the two isn't really fair.

But to hell with fair. I enjoyed the first two seasons of Dr. Who more than the first season of Torchwood, and I enjoyed Torchwood more than the last (3rd) season of Dr. Who. But contrary to popular opinion, Martha Jones really didn't/doesn't ruin the series for me. I think the writing took a bad turn, and they writers got caught up in the whole 'Martha vs. Rose" thing, trying to show Martha as a viable replacement as both a companion and a possible love interest. They would have been better off just dropping her into the show and forgetting Rose even existed. Not that that would have been GOOD, but it would have been BETTER than hearing about Rose every other episode. None of that is Martha's (or Freema's) fault, it's just the writing. The writer's haven't given her character a chance.

Meanwhile, Torchwood has an entirely different vibe to it, and when you're in the mood for some sex and violence without the guarantee of a happy ending... there you are. I love the show, but I guess i'm still a kid at heart so I prefer Dr. Who... if for no other reason than pure nostalgia.

Oh, and could the Dr. Who writers have a season WITHOUT Daleks in it? I mean, the first two appearances were awesome. Daleks vs. Cybermen was kinda cool. But its old now.

...and what ever happened to the ORIGINAL Cybermen?

...and who thought it was a good idea to turn into the friggin' JOKER? He is not insane, he's EVIL...there's a difference! WTF!?