oh please, prove me a liar?

i left the references i've used, italicasized with quotes those taken directly from the author i have no fear of anything you may be accusing me of, i have no need to plaguerize the thoughts or writings of another, mine are rather spectacular in their own way, i have seven years of similiar internet replies on a wide variety of forums to verify my originality, and personal acquaintances to support my claims of original thought...either way, you still have not proven anything to support whatever you were trying to present in this thread?

[quote=Highpriestess29;1600062]what exactly is the celtic religion, how does witchcraft fit into it, where does it come from?

what are the "plague" religions, who decides, how do you know they are false, how can a person decide if it's a plague religion?

i studied witchcraft and agree with nothing you've said concerning it, so how can you be sure that all those who have an aspect of witchcraft in their life would agree with a bastardized version of monotheism, or anything else you've said, why can't it be, as many historically proven ancient religions have believed, each god or goddess being an individual incarnation, some actually started out human heroes.

are gods really one size fits all?

i was born into a catholic family, and come from a long line of roman catholics on one side of my family and presbyterian bible teachers that helped found the first presbyterian church in our town on the other side, who married into west virginian hillbillies and their fetish based witcheries, none of it ever made sense to me, until i started to learn for myself; so how can you speak for everyone who comes from those backgrounds? yes, i've been studying my family history to, i never knew we had a scottish clan tartan, but i now understand why i have freckles.

oh, and ying/yang are eastern religious concepts, not witchcraft...but many eastern religions predate witchcraft too...however, i would like to thank you for demonstrating everything about the occult that drove me to christianity, it's nice being reminded of such things to keep me on my newly chosen path, i can miss the drama being a witch can bring, particularly when trying to impress boys and charm devils, but that's a fetish of an entirely different sort...you still haven't proven any of your points.

my points are;

witchcraft is not limited by any one concept, nor is it some ancient art of the wise, there is no place in any history before that can prove that statement incorrect. Aspects of witchcraft can be found in the general occult world, demonology, ceremonialism, egyptianology, necromancy, scrying and even simon's necronomicon has some basis in history, choosing sumerian deities to write his book on; these aspects of witchcraft do have ancient histories...but witchcraft is as individual to the person practicing it, as it was to the person they were inspired from...example; my best friend is a first class wiccan, i influenced her with ted andrew's enchantment of the fairy realm book, neither of our current faiths reflect those original aspects at all, and that was just twenty years ago do you really believe that the religions of today are the same religions they were thousands of years ago and if so...can you prove it?

witchcraft is not a religion! that i can say with some confidence that most wiccans and witches would agree with me on, lord knows it was debated enough on occult forums.

knowing the factual history of one's faith, including the society, culture and even political influences involved in it's creation can put it into persepective much more efficiently than preachers, prophets or priest/esses, that answer with vague hints of gleaned wisdom...what is the history of your faith, beyond your family passed on traditions, what was the culture that inspired it?

i can agree those are important, but i do not agree with any idea that one form of faith is more valid than another based on personal experience versus factual discoveries...as few as they may be, regardless of your view on your replies, suggesting any religion as being a "plague" is not a very exempliary way to present yours, is that what you teach any students you come across?

i won't answer how to apply any aspect of the occult, including witchcraft into a life, it's no longer the way i choose to live mine, but in the same token why should i let people perpetrate the myth that it's older than it really is...

i gave up that life, but that's no reason to allow others to be fooled into believing things about it that just aren't based in established fact about an art that has no, limitations or ownership by any one faith or religion.

if it works well in your life, that's good for you, but even the wiccan rede advises one to designate if they are speaking for themselves, as a witch; rather than the whole, I question any one who tries to speak on behalf of a whole, i want to see credentials for dictating my faith and preaching the faith of others; if i see something i disagree with or that doesn't make sense, i will point out why i disagree with it, and question what makes no sense, in this case, witchcraft is not a religion and has not been one in any ancient history and how you can deem what religions are false and which are not?

christianity keeps coming up because, i am a christian, that now dictates my spiritual opinions, you were the first to bring the christian faith and history into the discussion, and as a representative, felt compelled to reply to your dribble, and further considering that on some level it was the roman catholic church that was most influential in defining witchcraft with her inquistions, what do you define a witch as?

just to clarify things...on topic.

it's nice to see someone's learning academic history, that i can admire in a person no matter their reasons.

having grown disenchanted with the entire concept as it no longer reflected what i learned it as, but what it had become, i found another path that answered questions and needs i was seeking.

oh yes, i'm consistantly questioning my beliefs and have discovered a wealth of suprise knowledges in my searches no, unfortunately many do not, but i know a few who do

presented with something more practically sound, according to an impractical perception of needing something more, when i already have everything. i was allowed to understand on my own, rather than having conflicting ideals impressed upon me, that i don't agree with or understand.
oh yes, it's been tested for two thousand years, and is still standing.

For the interesting questions:
since when can science explain faith? yeah... well yes, it was developed in the present time by gerald gardner, made a bit more popular by sybil leek in the late seventies and early eighties and is now a household word i'm leaning toward inspired creation, i can see the development of man, at least in the tribal sense from prehistoric cave dwellers to an entire history of civilizations, with new discoveries everyday...but there's no proof for the primordial ooze sparking with life, on some lucky whim of fate, something had to snap It's fingers, genesis however still requires some research.

depends on the witch
very little about wicca or witchcraft have any founding in any centuries or millenia, and the god/deses of today are just photocopies of the original forms...but i guess witchcraft can be traced back to being about a century old, but that ideal was inspired by christianized judaic thought, made most famous by the inquisitions perpetrated by the roman catholic churches, giving birth to demonlogy as it's now known.
depends on the god/dess
i believe there is
whatever their God teaches them.
the mists of prehistory