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Jordyn · 07-11-07

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history?

funny you bring that up...historically there is no way shape or form that dionysis was any sort of predecessor of Jesus...if anything as Kenneth C. Davis points out in his books Don't Know Much About Mythology His death and rebirth are more akin to that of osiris, and even comes after the very different life and style of Jesus...Dionysis as a imported god from the near east area represented all the hedonistic, drunken, outrageous sexual exploits that Jesus lived His life contrary to and His Father strictly forbade...their religion spreading monogamy, moderation and plutonic love of each other, rather than orgiastic rites spread through out the streets of ancient cities that celebrated holy whores, that came years after egyptian culture began it's decline. Jesus was never hacked up, put back together or any of the other violent expressions of one god hating another god and destroying the other to do so...He willingly, gracefully and peacefully accepted that was His reason on earth, resurrected to symbolise the power of His Father, not to appease some pouty god or goddess that used their divinity to appease their own ruffled feathers, rather than any concern for those who worshipped them, the greeks didn't even exist until AFTER the assyrians, the persians and FINALLY the greeks, who gave birth to roman myth.

The egyptians, i can understand some influence they would have had over the creation of Judaism, but the term stealing is silly...that would be like saying the mayans, mexicas and other south american cultures popping up at the same time as other religious cultures stole their ideas from the nile valley; particularly the mayans...a supreme sun god sending his children down, beautiful twins to teach the humans, leading them to a better land and showing them how to be more advanced people...but their pictoglyphs are not like any known to date, they were one of only three cultures throughout the archealogically known history of the world(the egyptians are not one of them) that knew about the number zero, or the mexica with their little bird telling them to follow and their supreme war god telling them they'd find him on a pillar as a white eagle clutching a snake in the middle of a lake...funny enough these cultures also had a great tree of life with various levels that led up to their gods...how many ancient religions have a tree of life, a white bird to be worshipped or followed their gods at their request, who did they steal their religious belief and rituals from?

back to the egyptians, not only do they have two different and distinct creation myths, but four different versions of the impractical concept used to "prove" christian religous thievery, including the acts of necrophelia, incest, masterbatury sprinklings of semen from a god creating all life on earth...and the simple fact that any pharoh could call himself "the living horus" suggests that this idea is as whacked as other ideas that have little to no basis in history or archeology. add on to this the political envrionment and competition and the many sections of egyptian cultures, spread across several dynasties, dozens of rulers and one predynasty giving the multitude of pharohs freedom to pick and choose what supreme beign they wanted to be, that month...how can anything be said with certainty by this concept, especially with the fact the first time isis was heard about outside of egypt was written by plutarch, a greek biographer, making the egyptain deities...greek?

who stole who?

furthermore the story of osiris and isis, paralleling innana and dumuze of the sumerians, suggest that the egyptians stole the idea from them, not the christians stealing it from the egyptians(mesopotamia is several centuries older, and it's sumeria that's believed to have given birth to abraham). Considering the babylonians were the other culture aware of the number zero, i'm more apt to believe these cultures have the honor of being the first religion all others in the nile valley are derived from, including the egyptians. Further consider that the first evidence of deity worship appears around 60,000 b.c...how can anyone say with any accuracy who stole what from who...not even the book of dead is exclusive to the egyptian cultures(not even written until the new kingdom) coincidently enough the ancient south american cultures had theirs, as do the hindus, even more interestingly enough, the hindus are the third culture that knew of the number zero.

regardless of the similiarities of world myths, christianity, it's patriarchs, their God and His son Jesus were the first religon out of this area to expect humility, righteous living and placing more emphasis on the spiritual rather than engaging in acts of the flesh for spiritual enlightenment, having the son of a god that stressed He was not a god, desiring to be treated no different than any other person He walked with, confirms He's nothing like any god, demigod or pharoh's ego of the self, regardless of the main vein that's woven through all world myths...egypt wasn't the only great religious culture predating christianity...nor was it the first to lay claim to; the creation of the world, the children of gods walking as human and spreading wisdom or condone acts that the bible strictly advises against, in addition to being the first western religion to turn away from human sacrifice; further demonstrates it's more original than any, heathen faith of the time.

the similirities it shares with any other myth in any other part of the historical world i do not believe are intentionally stolen, i can understand conquered influence, however the patriarchs weren't conquered...but those who are insulting christians with their pipe dreams and half conceived ideals of thievery are failing to realize that not any religion in the world is original, all cultures that could imagine did, and are demonstrating ignorance of a faith that has proven it's a stand alone religion, consuming those who were touched by it's different spiritual ideals, foreign to anything experienced before, religiously(even zoraster's religion was created about the same time). To say it's stolen is saying that all religion is stolen, particularly the neopagan faiths that have been popping up since the early 1900's with no basis in ancient history aside from the names of some gods chosen by people that are incapable of understanding what inspired such dieties, the brutal requirements to worship these beings and the violence all religion is capable of in the hands of men...by a contemporary culture that can have no concept of what the originators of their gods truly intended, how they lived or who they worshipped, but was founded on the back of the bible.

before using the term history in this debate, perhaps you should read what historians really say; try a search for world timelines and see what cultures were around to influence other cultures before going off on half baked ideas suggesting cultures that came years after another, influenced the earlier culture. This is what i've concluded from reading tangible sources that anyone with a library card can read, touch and see; Jesus was not the only messiah, there have been many other supreme beigns, and unquestioning religious faith in a god is not exclusive to christianity...but to continue saying that christian faith is stolen from the egyptians or even more outrageously the greeks, is just...not validated in any way shape or form through anything to do with archeological discovery, historical recordings or known by experts studying these fields, today.

books

Don't Know Much About Mythology: Kenneth C. Davis
Myth and Sexuality: Jamake Highwater (i've read this one three times)
Native Land, Sagas of the Indian Americas: Jamake Highwater
Books of the Dead: Stanislave Grof
A History of the Ancient World: Chester G. Starr
The Language of the Goddess: Marija Gimbutas

links

*pick your timeline
*what do you really know about egypt's predynasty?
*oh look their gods are half man and half animal too
*what about this resembles Christ?

for the rest of the discussion

i have been reading my history, real history books that are not attempting to sell anything to anyone...or recreate ancient religions that are only known from fractions of archeological discovery, that's what the sca is for. it may not be about witchcraft persay, but i really do not believe anyone today is practicing anything that was practiced several thousand years ago...unless it's simple animism. and yes, it is my reply!

do you know something that experts don't, or are you in tune with the akashic records?

i'll add another link for good measure...

the history of witchcraft