umm, if you have any other suggestions for values to include, let me know, and i'll edit the poll, the thread, or acknowledge that it should have been there. turak, questions you ask aren't the only good questions.

but i can understand your confusion. considering that you believe first-hand experience is necessary to have any knowledge, and that only physical material knowledge is real, mathematics must be outside your realm of expertise. so please, let the rest of enjoy our vagueries and go back to your being an old jackass.