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sixxx(sic)six · 11-16-06

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Originally Posted by Bushy Tail

my assement of its value was not an attack on your person iam stating looking at art based on personnel prefrence is valueless the arguments themselves in my opinion have no value because they tell you nothing about art itself.

I totally agree a full 100%...so what question is it that made you think I didn't, or suggested anything of the contrary?

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i was not defining the two concepts but making a point about them relative to art a road sign being lines and having a meaning does not make it art typically art causes an emotional response ergo if i read a novel it might have been good but it might not be art unless i connect with it on some level other then simply learning and or entertainment which is what this topic is about so one most infer dionsyan meaning relative to the topic to be more then simpely a stop sign. If we cant make this leap with this philisophical idea then it has no value to the questions your asking which have to do with emotion. Take Water Lillies for example its a picture of water lillies in a pond which connveies a meaning that if you were standing next to Monet when he painted it you would have seen a pond and water lillies. But that is not why people enjoy looking at the painting now is it? This is applying the idea to your question.

Excuse me, but what question?! Why do you keep saying "your question?" What are you...???

And what leap? Are you taking the side of the emotivists? Because it sounds like you are...

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now to pollock and perhaps one of most interesting questions posed what if mona lisa was painted with water colors? i ask you to humor the following series of questions in the hope that i make a point. if mona was painted in water colors what changes, texture, color, sharpness of lines. Will people still derive the same meaning (emotional response) from it if those things change? lets say they dont derive the same meaning, what does that say about emotion? can one conlude that the image does not matter that only the colors, texture and sharpness of lines matters? Furthermore how can we say which one is the reason behind the change in how that painting is viewed emotionally? For example is my dislike for pollock in that i dont like the colors or i dislike the lack of order in his work? does this tell us that we dont understand our emotions and what causes them at all, and the reason that we like art and create it is to somehow capture and control that which is otherwise uncapturable and uncontollable?

Indeed...fun stuff. Coincidently, I came across another article which argued that perhaps the tools (the Appolian) have a bigger role than individuals think. What was argued, was a saying from some famous artist who once said (something along the lines of): When I see Michaelangelo's "David," I don't see art, I see the desecration of marble.

Now, the argument basically went on to state that the tools used have very much to do with how well a piece turns out. After all, why is it that when most people think of "watercolors" they think of flowers and naturesque stuff; when people think of "oils," portraits usually come to mind. Now, this to me sounds a bit on the Cognitivist side, but I like the idea that sometimes the medium (Appolian) helps depict and define the work (Dionysian)...after all, what makes for a better comic book: pencil and ink, or computer, or for that matter, watercolor?

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