whoa, billy, there's a big difference between liberal democrats who actually believe in liberal democracy and liberal democrats who actively disbelieve in conservative republic. having liberal views isn't wrong, unless you have them for the wrong reason (ie just to spite conservative republicans). sadly i think most democrats fit the bill. i mean, my outlook on life favors conservative thinking (bordering anarchy, though, not fascism) but as we all know, since most people aren't worth the crap they're made of, no form of government will ever be perfect and the only ones that will work best are those that depend on the trick of statistics leveraging the playing field for the worthy and the unworthy. i disagree with this, but that's all that's gonna work.