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Originally Posted by Iron's Rite  I know it's fun and easy to completely misrepresent my view-points: Now I could point out the sheer lunacy inherent in the admission that you think that using Nukes might not be a bad idea; I could also point out that I have never advocated for complete pacifism and appeasement but to try and start a dialogue between Moderate Muslims and to try and understand the reasons why our enemies Hate us.
Furthermore, the War in Vietnam did not result in meaningful peace and that is the same kind of war that we are facing now. There are no clearly defined goals or a central regime to crush: So what we are left with is the fact that attacking without precision, coherence and with any attempt to make the moderates understand that it's not them that we are after: We create a War with an enemy that multiplies itself and cannot be subdued as easily as the Axis Nations with their uniforms, stated goals and clear identity. Or a conflict that can be resolved as easily as demanding and fighting for our freedom from British rule.
On that note; your admitted desire to carpet bomb civilian areas or to possibly even use Nuklear Weapons only shows your true colors. The declaration that this is already The Third World War is little more then an excuse for the carnage and destruction that will ensue if we continue to conduct ourselves without fully considering all the alternatives. However, you will also notice that I never said anything about trying to open a dialogue with the Extremists in this War: I am well aware that that is a useless endevour.
I'll just leave it at that. |
Dude you say that like it's the moderates we need to talk to. the moderates have nothing to do with the war, as you've said. i'll be damned if they're gonna really help us fight muslims, no matter how extreme (note: this is different of course in iraq since the 'iraqi force' really wants to protect its own people). the moderates either don't hate us and won't help, or at least hate us but don't give a shit and start killing civilians. it's the extremists we have to focus on, everybody knows it, and dialogue with them is useless. and we already know why they hate us. they say it every damn time in those hate-videos.
besides, why not just kill the lot of them? moderates and not? extremists on their side killed our civilians. i know half of you talking-head pseudo-philosophers are gonna jump in and say that would make us just as bad as them, but anyone who really understands my point really should agree. it's about survival, man. nobody will blame us for wanting to live. for wanting to preserve our way of life. if we can win, we should. and we can eradicate *everybody*. now whether that would be counter-productive to our ultimate goal of self-preservation is a little unclear, but i'd say that if we don't do everything in our power to stop at least the extremists then it's pretty clear that our way of life won't last long.