if you do not believe in such discussions, why do you bother posting in threads discussing...perceived impracticalities, according to your rational expectations?

such beliefs have been, around since...man painted on cave walls... these beliefs, practices, or whatever people choose to use them as...give people an outlet to express experiences or curiousities they are, trying to give...definition to...an attempt to explain what they do not understand, it can offer them some, comfort that all their struggles in this world, do not go unnoticed, and even some, gain confidence they can change, aspects about their life...being unable to realize they have that strength..inside themselves, and in my opinion...don't need magick for that.

do you laugh at christians who pray to god, expecting they'll be saved by devoting their life to him?

...that's a type of magick, just not as time consuming as other methods people invoke to experience spirituality.

i agree that some of those who practice esoteric arts, can get a little...outrageous in their conveyance of what they can do or expect to do...with magick...and understand why some find it preposterous, but why make an effort to point that out to people who do believe, in a manner that is not conducive to discussion?

no need to be...pointless in your reply, please explain what aspects you find laughable; that could lead to a fascinating discussion; you generate those, when you're not being so...billy the kidd.