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05-21-05

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Originally Posted by Dyshade
By questioning the authenticity of the holocaust you may as well forward the idea that aliens live amongst us and use us as foodstuffs while fornicating with our women. The ideas are akin in thier ludicrous propositions.
Unless you question history, how can you ever understand or come to know history? That's the whole point of being a historian, or an archeologist, or a pelaontologist, to question history, and to find out from actual physical / forensic evidence what the truth is. You say that it's not right to question the 'Holohoax', and then you say it happend, which contradicts your first tenet because unless youv'e questioned the 'Holohoax' how do you know it happend?

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10 Questions---

#1- Certainly not you nor your inane ideals and opinions. I put my trust in the accuracy of historical accounts which are backed by dozens if not hundreds of professors of history who have corroborated many accounts from many different backgrounds. Which are also corroborated by my personal knowledge as given unto me by a witness who was actually within a death camp during WW2---IE Buchenwald.
still, NO SINGLE HISTORIAN, OR EYE-WITNESS OR ANYBODY ELSE HAS PROVIDED FORENSIC EVIDENCE OF THE 'HOLOHOAX'. The only evidence you and your thousands of historians / eye-witnesess have got is forged documents, suggestive photos and statements made by people under torture, or by people who have lied to make a profit.

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#2-Your question leaves a lot begging to be asked. As such though I hate to do it i will ask you a few questions to make sure my answer is accurate. What fuel? Total cremation or partial? What temperatures?? Change even one of those attributes and the time will also change.
are you an expert on cremation now? the question you ask concerning total cremation or partial is not for me to answer. You have made the accusation that millions of people were cremated by the Nazi's in the 'Holohoax', so you tell me whether they were cremated totally or partially?

...and then we can decide on the time, fuel and temp etc. I will not pretend to be an expert in the field of cremation, and as usual I will refer you a general website which details cremation in detail:

http://www.cremation.org/

If you dont like this website, then you find a website a cremation society of your own and refer to it.

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#3-Once again let me ask you a question--- Does coal burn by itself or does it need fuel??
see this proves my point that you seem to be a complete idiot.

* - COAL IS FUEL - *

A Fire requires 3 things: a fuel, oxygen, and heat. A coal fire will get its heat intially from burning paper, or tinder to heat some of the coal to a combustiable temp. From then on a coal fire only needs coal to keep it burning, in short, COAL IS FUEL. Other example types of fuel include: OIL, COKE, GAS, WOOD, PAPER, TINDER, AND NUCLEAR. Thats why power stations are called: Nuclear Fuel Power Stations, or Gas Power Stations, or EVEN COAL FIRED POWER STATIONS.

http://www.solidfuel.co.uk/frame/main.html


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#4- I am sensing a theme here--- What type of fuel are we talking about? And convective or conductive? Fluid or solid???
again, youre making the accusations so you tell me what fuel they used to cremate them bodies.

The jews have said on most of their 'holohoax' websites that the bones of previous victims were used as fuel to keep the furnaces going. This is incorrect, primarily because BONES DO NOT BURN AND HENCE THEY CANNOT BE USED AS FUEL, that why when people are cremated the bone fragments are ground up and scattered, or handed back to their love ones. Again check a cremation society website, anyone of your choice, and thats exactly what they will confirm.


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#5-Once again--- If i tie three sticks together and light them on fire do they burn seperately or together???
once again---if you tie 3 bodies together they will not burn quicker than one body. The reason why is because bodies do not combust by themselves, i.e. THEY REQUIRE FUEL TO BURN. So for 3 bodies tied together you will need 3 times the amount of fuel used for one body.

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#6-What sort of crematorium-- commercial or military? And which brand persay??
As I have said, I am not expert on crematoriums which is why I have consulted crematorium experts and I have sought their opinion on building the alleged crematoriums at Auschwitz. So far, no crematorium expert has surfaced to confirm that such equipment cn be built and used, in fact, the opposite has occured where crematorium experts REFUTE the existence of such facilties, only, these people are few in number because liberal facists and 'jewish supremacists' criminals happen to go around beating them up.

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#7--the 'Exterminists' state: - "It required three hours of maintenance per day, a far cry from the twelve hours per day claimed by the IHR" and "they could run for days at a time without maintenance." which is it?
well I agree with the Revisionists, and I would say such furnaces at Auschwitz would require hours and hours of down time for maintenance. However, and I said before many times i'm not a crematorium expert, ( and I dont think you are either for that matter ) which is why we should refer to creamtorium experts and asked them what they say about maintaining crematoriums.

Also, again, you are making the accusations, so you tell me how much maitenance time was needed?

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It is both if you would take the time to actually read the statement instead of plod along in your passion to prove everything completely wrong. It is not my fault your skills of induction suffer from your delusions.
The full statement---
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Those errors aside, there is still simply no question about the burning times of the ovens. In 1939, the firm of Topf and Sons was awarded a contract to build a Dachau furnace which had an estimated capacity of one corpse per hour per muffle (times two muffles). By increasing the air pressure, by July 1940 they had produced a furnace that could burn just under two corpses per hour per muffle (again, times two muffles). It required three hours of maintenance per day, a far cry from the twelve hours per day claimed by the IHR in question 45. (See Gutman et al., op. cit., pp. 185-186, 189-190.)

The crematoriums that were eventually installed at Auschwitz-Birkenau were massive. They were capable of disposing of several bodies per muffle in half an hour or so, and they could run for days at a time without maintenance. (There were difficulties eventually, however, and several of the ovens were out of service for months at a time.) Topf and Sons was awarded a patent in 1951, and the patent also states that a single muffle can cremate a corpse in half an hour.
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It is very easy to take statements out of context and make them seem like they contradict each other. Please take the time to quote subject matter in context.


if all this above is true, then the question's I have which relates to the fuel situation, are:

where did all the fuel come from? and
what fuel was used to keep such a huge contraption running?

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#8- No. I built the forced labor camp to ease problems with the economy why would I build something that not only takes maintenance but operators as well. I could easily enough have those same laborers dig graves and bury the dead.
see, you just prove my point. If the Germans had a plan to exterminate the jews ( as you alledge ), then why would the Germans construct such an elaborate camp and logistics network to do such a thing. As you have said above, it is much easier to shoot people and then bury them where they were. What's the point in transporting people hundreds of miles by train to their deaths?

In fact, here's another ridiclous claim. As far as I know, many people were transported from Auschwitz in the winter of 1944 to new camps in Germany i.e. Ravensbruck. Why would the Germans transport people back into Germany, when they had already decided they were going to kill them? what's the point?

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#9-Why fumigate them when you are going to burn them. It also takes a little while to build ovens capable of dealing with large amounts of bodies. Were the germans than prescient?? I would dig large pits and dump the bodies in them and burn them. Regardless of such they would have survived were they not interred in the camps. The situation was brought upon them by the German authorities and as such the responsibility for the deaths lie with them. Simple induction.
errrr not so, otherwise you would have to lay the blame for the AIDS epidemic in S.Africa firmly on the the S.African government. And while your at it, remember the Tsunami, as the American Earthquake center knew about the earthquake before the tsunami hit the shores of Sri Lanka, you would have to blame them for not preventing the deaths of over 200,000 people. Your logic is flawed, how can you prevent an event before you know of the event? it's like predicting someone is going to have a heart attack next week and yet how can you know someone will have a heart attack next week?

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#10-Regardless both methods suffice. Buried in a communal pit filled with lime or burned solves the problem.
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I hope that provides you with at least a few moments of joy.

now, lets assume your right, and that they buried many of the victims. If the figure of 6 million is to be also taken as correct, then the numbers of people buried in those so called mass graves must be at least half this figure. So, if we was to go to the sites at Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, etc. then we would be able dig up the remains of over 3 million people. The problem here is that apart from a few dozen mass graves containing probabley less than approx. - 50,000 bodies in total, no evidence has been provided of the remaining 5,950,000 bodies or burnt remains.

As I said previously, BONE FRAGMENTS DO NOT BURN, so if 6 million were killed their must be literally tons and tons of BONE FRAGMENTS underneath the camps. So far examinations of the camps have provided ZIP PROOF of any such large amounts of bone fragments. Now, again as youre making the accusations, you provide FORENSIC PROOF of the BONE FRAGMENT remains for 6 million people.


Here's another question, if I mixed HCN gas and Oxygen together would it explode?

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