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04-19-05

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Originally Posted by Dyshade
Also to those dying it mattered not what was being used to kill them....... they were being killed en masse..... whether the Germans used gas or deprivation matters not in the larger picture and is mere misdirection on your part.... the important part is that "THEY did KILL large numbers of people" ---jews, poles, french, germans, english, and russians....... in thier search for perfection they forgot about simple morals and human compassion.... in your search for evidence against the "holocaust" you are forgetting the important part--- it matters not how they died--- what matters is that they did die.... they were murdered....
This is exactly my point - if they were murdered as you suggest, then in a court of law you would be required to produce, a motive, a weapon, a body, the place and evidence to support their connection. Nobody just dies, their is a reason for somebody dying, so it matters greatly how somebody dies. In our society when somebody dies their is always a postmortem or maybe a full investigation and eximination, this is to determine the cause of death, i.e. by natural causes, disease, or something more sinister.

With respect to the jews in the concentration camps, their was never a postmortem carried out on any of the bodies, and neither was any impartial investigation carried out to determine cause of death. What has happened, is the jews saw a chance to create the myth of gassing, it's even logical to suggest that jews in the camps 'truly' believed themselves that there was gas chambers irrespective that there was not. However, in order to solve it like a murder case we have to come back to the evidence and not get carried away with sentimentality, rumour, or impartiality and circumstantial evidence i.e. eye witnesses. Like in any other murder case the line of enquiry has to be logical, consistent and objective.

The Allegation:

* motive - racism against jews
* weapon - mass gassing using ZyklonB
* bodies - numerous found at the scene of the crime
* place - Auschwitz, Sobibor, Madhausen, Belsen, Treblinka, etc

The Evidence:

* motive - self defense because the jews had declared war on Germany in 1933, so in effect jews in Germany and occupied zones were prisoners of war and Germany had the legal right under the Geneva convention to detain them i.e. concentration camps.

"The Jewish declaration of war was carried publicly by a large number of newspapers, including the Daily Express in London, which ran a bold full-page headline "Judea Declares War on Germany" on its edition of 24 March 1933. Calling on all "Jews of the world to unite" the meeting of Jewish leaders resolved to launch a series of mass demonstrations and also to institute a worldwide boycott of German goods, presumably through their international business connections."

see here and elsewhere: http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html


* weapon - ZyklonB is unsutiable for gassing people and is used mainly as a fumigant. In addition ZyklonB cotains HCN gas in a pellet carrier, to obtain the gas the pellets have to be carefully heated up to a temp of between 79def F - 89deg F, no more and no less, damp conditions are dangerous. So the question remains where did the gas come from, and how was it administered?

The Fred Leuchter report and others: http://www.ety.com/tell/books/jglife/14.htm provide evidence that ZyklonB gas was never used to gas anyone at the suggested sites in Auschwitz etc.

* bodies - large numbers of corpses were found at the sites prepped for cremation. These corpses were possibley the result of epidemics of Typhus, Cholera, malnutrition, and local brutality by zealous officers. However, in order to stop disease spreading the bodies were prepped for cremation, hence the crematorium. In addition given the limited facilities for burning bodies at the sites, it was not possible to cremate so many bodies immediately and hence they were left in morturies and in places around the camps.

* the place - the sites of alledged gassings have all been inspected by Fred Leuchter and others including the institute of Krakow. Their conclusions have concurred in that the sites could not have maintained a mass gassing facility and no evidence exists to support a theory of genocidal gas facilites at any of the sites. The jews and 'Holocaust' accusers have never inspected the sites and they refuse to air a public debate on the issue at every opportunity. In addition the jews have used laws in many countries to detain, jail and persecute anyone trying to find out the truth behind the whole matter - this has got to stop.

Here's a website that explains a few bits and bobs about the alledged 'Holocaust' and other 'Holocausts' which the jewish controlled media will not show, has not shown, and will never show because they have told lie after lie after lie. The whole thing is like a house of cards and one day pretty soon its going to collapse. For your information try to find out who owns every newspaper, film, advertising and magazine company - you might be suprised to find that the jews control 95% of it and they dont want you or me or anyone finding out the truth. As the saying goes: theirs no business like 'Shoah' business.

ask yourself this question - why is it that the story of WW2 is always overshadowed by the supposed jewish 'holocaust' when in fact jewish deaths in WW2 only represented 2% of the many milions who died?

why?


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