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I don't have to justify something that doesn't have proof, that is the job of the proof itself, or the lack of it.
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yes you do....this is philosophy dear.....the answer is never simple.....justification and abstract thought is the very principle of philosophy.....you prove to me how there is no proof of infinity (whether in space/time or not)......until then, you have no argument....
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And why does existence have to infinite?
I'm not about to get all Christian and creationist and go on about the beginning, but we know that scientifically there has not always been life as we know it, so if there can be a blank space before the existence of a world that exists today, why can't there be a blank space in time?
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ah....you just contradicted yourself....it seems you're thinkin' that "existence" is limited merely to the physical.....even you said "science has proved life as we know it wasn't always there" (which woul be physical) "yet BLANK SPACE" ( a metaphysical property) has been there before and after......thus, there is an existence....
do not assume that the "physical" world is the only form of existence.....there is what is known as the "metaphysical" which can best be described as the mind, the soul, dreams, unicorns, mermaids, God, space....etc....
the metaphysical is that which is not physical but still exists......i ask you, does a mermaid exist? you want to say no, for there is no physical proof (empirically there is no proof....empiricism isn't correct....empiricism implies it must be "known/learned" through the senses...but by this definition, the sun is a lil' orange circle in the sky that circles the earth...and the world is flat....both are wrong).....anywho, there is no physical proof of a mermaid....yet, in terms of metaphysics it very well does exist...i say mermaid, and BAM! you immediately have an idea of what i'm talkin' about....doesn't matter if itz a creation of the human imagination, it only matters that itz existence is now and within' your "minds-eye".....to which i ask, is the mind physical? is it the brain? most philosophers don't believe it is, niether do a handful of scientists.....perhaps the mind is "physical" proof of the metaphysical....
anywho....the metaphysical....what a beautiful concept....
thus.....despite physical existence diminishing (see my first post in this thread on page 1 for a more thorough argument) the metaphysical is likely to still exist....even you said it yourself...."space" will exist before and after the universe....
anywho....there's existence....always will be.......doesn't really matter which type, only that there is......to conceive of non-existence is a contradiction in terms....if you have non-existence, then surely that is how it exists.....yes? now you think, when i die, i no longer exist....thatz not true.....you still exist physically, just not the same....so you say, my "mind" doesn't exist....well, religion says you have a soul while science says you have energy while philosophers say you have an essence....all seem to say that yes, you still exist in a metaphysical context even after death.....
anywho....it is impossible to have non-existence.......if there is such a thing, then we would not be here, would not be discussing this, etc......it is impossible, for even if there were non-existence, it would exist as such.....so there is only existence, and being that it can never be non-existent, it is infinite.......space bein' metaphysical, also seems to be infinite.....as it is metaphysical.....and the metaphysical seems to be the only form that can be infinite......
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I need more than a circle to convince me that space is infinte, and I disagree with your statement that it's manmade (Look at the sun, we're surrounded by cirlces, giving it a name isn't creating it, second thoughts, don't look at the sun.)
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A. a "circle" is a 2-dimensional figure
B. a "circle" is a form of abitrary measurement....as is all which is mathematical
C. the sun isn't a circle...itz a sphere....and it isn't a perfect sphere.....is a ball of gas, which has multiple layers, all of which are different depending on where you are.....some of it extends way out, while some of it doesn't....
ALSO....tid-bit fact about the sun.....the equator spins faster than the poles....isn't that neat?!
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We are just little humans, and to think we can make guesses about the infinity of time and space is almost as mad as thinking we know the facts about why we're here and package them up in religion
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first off, don't bring religion into the world of philosophy....it belittles all that philosophy is and hopes to achieve.....there are religious philosophers....they're called theologians
secondly....is it that mad? how so? i think it was Plato who said we'll never know the eternal truth and Nietzsche who said we're content with being ignorant....nonetheless, there are eternal truths.... 2 + 2 = 4 is an eternal truth....granted an arbitrary eternal truth....but nonetheless, an eternal truth.....and perhaps we can't know everything is also an eternal truth....so who's to say we won't discover the eternal truth?
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