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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six this is not a ludicris question.....and in fact, is more philosophical than spiritual.... |
Here we go! *Hypes up*
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six philosophers have been concerning themselves with this idea since before socrates....albeit, Aristotle and later medieval philosophy really expanded on the idea.... |
*Rolls eyes.* Indeed.
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six yes, indeed there is a spirit.....although, in the philosophical community we prefer the term "essence"........everything has an essence.......a pen has an essence......hold a pen in your hand, and you can see that THAT IS THAT PEN.....there may be a pen just like it, but itz not THAT PEN....... |
I just don't get this at all.... How can you say a pen has an essence? It doesn't have a soul. Or what is believed to be a soul. Put it this way. I have a pen. Im looking at it now and yeah its the pen I picked up about two minutes ago but it is potential energy, I can make it move, once I do its kinetic energy. A pen is not an essence... Its a pen. A piece of plastic.
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six but, even further than that.....to avoid the whole "energy" and what not science likes to use..... |
Everything is energy... You, me, a plant. How can you avoid it?
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six plants are very much like an organ which have a purpose, or have sumtin' else they do.....for example, flowers smell good.....now smell isn't physical....it may come from sumtin' physical, but smell itself isn't coherently a physical object......it isn't rightly metaphysical either.....but think of smell from a flower such as "sight" of the eyes.....the eye is the organ, but the sight is that which actually sees......for blind people still have eyes |
Yeah but then, my kidneys must have a soul too then because thats an organ... That has a purpose... Oh my bladder too... Oh and my intestines... This is just weird. Oh yeah... Plants take in carbon dioxide and let out oxygen. Meh. Just because something is not tangable doesn't mean theres no empirical evidence surrounding its existence.
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six the point is, that being that this is the function of the organ would dictate to theologians (religious philosophers) that it has a soul.....although, itz soul is nowhere near the type of soul a human being is said to possess..... |
Intresting... So nothing is our equal? Just because we rule and destroy our planet? FOr all you know, aliens are saying the same thing about us. heh
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Originally Posted by sixxx(sic)six thus, philosophers say it has an essence, much like a pen, but where a pen merely exhibits a physical essence, a plant very well could have a metaphysical essence to it....in the sense that it is living......and as St. Aquinas (infamous theologian) once said....."to be considered living, you need a soul...otherwise, how could we differentiate between a man and a rock?" |
The same why you differentiated between a pen, a plant and a human.... heh