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Originally Posted by Arty But you're still wrong. If everyone had total job security against any kind of competition labour you would end up with an inefficient and stagnant economy, which doesn't help anyone, least of all the less well off. If companies don't outsource then they become uncompetitive and have to shed jobs anyway. If you had national laws preventing outsourcing then the economy would suffer in relation to other economies and your country would become relatively poorer, your exports would suffer and you would again therefore see job losses. Artificially trying to preserve jobs by protecting them from the natural forces of the free market always weakens the economy. Total exposure to those forces is undesirable - if employers could hire and fire as they pleased it would be incredibly cruel on those who suffered - but as long as people are fired in the right way (given notice and severance packages) then it is something that has to be accepted. If people don't accept that then everyone, including and even especially workers as a whole will lose out in the long run. |
And exactly how do companies not have the right to "hire or fire as they pleased?" I don't see anything stopping companies from laying off thousands of American employees in order to outsource those jobs to other countries in order to lower costs. That is exactly what I'm talking about. Sure, severance pay is nice, but it doesn't solve the fact that people are then unemployed. The backbone of a free market is the consumer. If a consumer doesn't have a steady source of income, then he/she isn't a consumer any longer.
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You can't support your belief or disbelief in an ideology because of any effects that it might have, such as counteracting apathy. That's an obvious logical fallacy. Wouldn't we all be happier if we all believed that the world was a wonderful place full of lovely people? Yes, but that doesn't justify that belief.
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How is that a logical fallacy? Nationalism by definition promotes devotion to a nation's interests. A population of citizens active in the political activities of the nation is a positive thing. That would be directly opposite of apathy, therefore counteracting it.