see, okay....awe....okay....i finally understand, you guys keep refering to the term "right" as being justified as some sort of "truth".......i think we're speaking differently

you guys are speaking of "right" as being a truth, which, when enforced by might, is "wrong"......that is, like guy said, german jews weren't evil because the nazi force said so.....

i am speaking of "right" as being necessary, which, when enforced by might, justifies it......like the thread stated at the beginning, imagine all governments falling, eventually man will start with gangs, then clans, until eventually new orders of governments are established......yet, he who is atop of this social order has power, through might, to make the "right" as he see fits.......

i understand now......we're defining the meaning of "might makes right" differently.....specifically the term right.......i am merely saying that there will always be someone on top, and though their views may be "wrong," it's right in the sense that he who has the most toys (so to say) wins.........if itz your world, itz your world.....