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Originally Posted by dgg9 Naivete. |
No, not naivity, more sincerety. Non-hypocritical attitudes. How can any population believe in the sincerety of the motives of their goverments if they are not even truthfully told on why the nation is going to war?
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You are under the impression the European governments don't have their own source of intel, independent of the US? You're kidding, right?
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Oh, some have their own intel, I'm sure. Dutch intel however is fairly laughable... BVD does nothing more then keep track of a few known threats in our own country (mainly some subversive organisations... ecological hardliners, religious fundamentalists, yabba yabba...) but I would imagine the french, russians... perhaps the germans too would have a nice covert ops department somewhere. What surprises me therefor is that the european nations did not regard Iraq as a threat, whereas the US alone did (seeing biochem lab trucks on sattelites where they were only water trucks, seeing chemical storage depots where there were only empty warehouses...). This still amazes me... Why is the US the only nation capable of "finding" these things? That in the end were not there...
And that is fact.
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Do a Google search on the Oil for Food scandal.
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I did. A lot of republican propaganda sites covering it... I couldn't find anything on other sites (such as CNN.com which probably would have covered it were it that important). Also, the few things I read show that there are 3 independant probes into the matter (forbes.com) which haven't returned results yet. I'll wait for the results... if it proves true then the UN as a whole has lost all credibility with me. But I'll wait for the official probes, and disregard propaganda shouting...
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But as it turns out, their opinion doesn't matter.
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Quite true. Which says something about the democracies in our countries... The population here however has not forgotten it. And I'll see what the next elections bring... Probably at least some countries will see not so "let's follow the leader" style governments that Bush so likes.
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Oh that's right -- you're still toiling in the nether idiot-worlds of the "it's all about oil" conspiracy theories -- the theories that hold that Bush made a move that cripples his re-election chances just to appease some SPECTRE-like cabal of hidden industrialists.
In the face of such patently idiotic claims, nothing need really be said.
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You deny the lobby the oil industry has with the US government? Now THAT would be naivity.
Why did the US back out of the Kyoto treaty? Why does the US not try and fund other means of power generation (durable like wind/solar power, or clean nuclear power by fusion reactors)? Is it not strange that such a country that wants to be the best in everything (for let's be real, that IS US mentality) does not want to design the next generation of power supply? Most of that research is being done in France.
And to toss a genuine conspiracy theory (

) rumor has it that scientists that are to work there are often lured away by other research companies who offer higher pays... companies owned or having ties with oil conglomerates. I cannot prove that though, and I have my doubts of that being true.
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Originally Posted by Dyshade He will probably call you a chomskyite for that statement.... remember freedom is when we rule the world  |
That is not freedom... That is either domination or opression. Kinda the relation the western world has with the third world.