At times, however, other members' truths are as convincing as yours. That Rumsfeld video, for example. You really can't argue with it. Finding a counter-argument - which you did - is also perfectly fine, but stating that the initial argument is invalid or wrong because you have found an EQUALLY potent counter-argument is not logical. Obviously posting more than one example after I had posted one doesn't make you more right, since I only intended to post one, but it does show that you have a point. I believe that, in that case, both sides had different truths that were in fact akin to one annother.