Boogie, i wasnt reffering to a jewish or christian point of view, it may condemn me to some people but i dont actually like either people.

J. gods/goddess arent dependant on man, they do whatever they want at their own pace and time irrespective of us, rather it is we that are dependant on them for many reasons, even those who dont belive in them, require them for those said people to dissablive if you get my point.

i do agree. a person must accept, notice and acknowledge their own "evil" the same way they most accept their addiction, to alchohol of drugs before they can begin to mend. the same way we had to foce and beat the nazis into seeing they were doing wrong to stop them.....however somepeople can plainly see it like they can see clouds and so dont need others to open their eyes. i knew a girl who was happily slutty, took drugs, regarded herself the biggest brain in the world, lied through her teeth and went hunting murduring little innocent animals that cant get away from guns in time....then made the excuse it wasnt her fault it was all her farthers....then she turns around and says to some of us, that she, without a shadow of a doubt, is a good person. often those who preech their good/greatness are the ones with the bloodyest hands.

the fact that the world is painful and life brings both pain and happyness does not in anyway make it right or give the right to cause pain and enjoy it. i dont refer to pain as in sexually though bondage or whatever.....i mean cruel hurtful pain, and theres no excuse. doing a good doesnt remove the bad we have done.