I give Mudvayne massive props for having talent. They may suck asshole, but they have talent: good vocals (singing and screaming), nice bass-work from a bassist who can actually play the instrument and not merely make noise with it, a drummer with much better hand control - and a better sound - than Mr. Joey "#1" Jordison, more complicated song structure, etc. I'm not sayin they're my favorite, but they know what they're doing.